is this thing on?
Just checking :)
Since being tasked as chair, I've seen no activity. There was
an email from Bill regarding 2 outstanding iCLAs, but the response
from one of the committers was less than optimistic.
That's it. No Emails on dev@ or private@, no code activities,
really no evidence at all of renewed
Looking over the lack of activity within this project, it's
obvious (at least to me), that maybe its day is done.
Should I call a vote to move C++ to the Attic? Or is there someone
who feels that the project should still exist *and* is willing
to stand as chair?
On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Liviu Nicoara nikko...@hates.ms wrote:
On 08/29/12 10:54, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Looking over the lack of activity within this project, it's
obvious (at least to me), that maybe its day is done.
Should I call a vote to move C++ to the Attic? Or is there someone
. Congratulations!
Could one of you please update the stdcxx list of committers?
I don't mean to punt but I think Jim Jagielski maintains a separate
link with the correct list of committers:
QUOTE
An up-to-date list of all Apache committers (or committers-to-be) is
being maintained by Jim Jagielski
On Aug 30, 2012, at 6:48 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
I'm sincerely sorry to ask this and I have my own answers, but why continue
STDCXX when such negativity from Apache is apparent..
What negativity are you seeing? I'm not seeing any, certainly
nothing that is
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Martin Sebor mse...@gmail.com wrote:
There's always good traffic when this topic comes up. Thanks
to Jim who's made it his mission to pull the plug on STDCXX.
I think this must be his third or fourth proposal to vote the
project into the attic.
No, it's not
On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:45 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
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The facts as I know it
1) Our fork is maintained (continuous bug fixes - which we won't submit to
Apache now)
Why?
2) Stefan is putting in some work (one man army)
Hardly a healthy community if just 1
On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:00 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
While STDCXX is at Apache it will never be BSD licensed. Solution - move it
away from Apache foundation and have them transfer some of the additional
rights they received to allow recipient foundation to relicense. I
On Aug 31, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Liviu Nicoara nikko...@hates.ms wrote:
Stefan's seem like a complete git-ification of the whole Apache repository
but with no changes I could detect.
FWIW, The ASF supports git so if people think it would help,
all we'd need to do is ask #infra to move stdcxx
The idea that ALv2 projects can't be added to FreeBSD ports is complete and
total hogwash. Pure FUD.
On Aug 31, 2012, at 8:43 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 08/31/12 07:20 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:00 PM, C. Bergströmcbergst...@pathscale.com wrote
Are you suggesting that FreeBSD does not allow the inclusion of ANY
ALv2 library under its ports directory?
On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:19 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
Do they come bundled with the compiler and link against every c++ application
by default? I suspect that their
On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:38 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 09/ 1/12 01:35 AM, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:27 PM, C. Bergström
cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
stdcxx ends up linking against *EVERY* C++ application if it's used in the
default compiler
On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:41 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 09/ 1/12 01:28 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Your suggestion is that, somehow, one cannot push stdcxx as part
of the FreeBSD ports collection. And that is because it is licensed
under ALv2.
My response
On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Wojciech Meyer wojciech.me...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Libstc++
is LGPL therefore can link with GPL project, and can link with ALv2
project, but stdcxx is ALv2 and cannot link with GPL project.
That's basically what LGPL was designed for, to solve this problem.
As an ASF project? It's not going to happen.
On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Martin Sebor mse...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/02/2012 08:42 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Martin Sebormse...@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/31/2012 02:38 PM, Liviu Nicoara wrote:
My input below
6, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Martin Sebor mse...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/06/2012 07:22 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
As an ASF project? It's not going to happen.
Not necessarily as an ASF project. Christopher is interested
in moving the project somewhere else. See for example:
http://mail
Trivial fixes should just be fixed... the normal expectation is
that bug reports are for non-trivial bugs or for trivial (and
non-trivial) bugs reported from the outside.
If a committers sees a bug, just go ahead and fix it, and
document the fix in a commit log, changefile, etc ;)
On Sep 6,
Many projects have CTR on trunk and RTC (based on trunk revisions)
to branch. This works well.
On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Liviu Nicoara nikko...@hates.ms wrote:
On 09/06/12 23:00, Martin Sebor wrote:
Every project has certain branch strategy, I'm not sure about this so
maybe Martin can
It's time for our report to the board...
what would we like to share?
I see:
o renewed discussion on health/viability of pmc
o increased development being done
o PMC expressing interest in moving to git
DESCRIPTION
Apache STDCXX is a collection of algorithms, containers, iterators,
and other fundamental components of every piece of software, implemented
as C++ classes, templates, and functions essential for writing C++ programs.
RELEASES
* There has not been a release of stdcxx since 2008.
On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:51 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 09/12/12 05:39 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
DESCRIPTION
* There was some licensing FUD discussed on the list, mostly to promote
a rationale for moving the project elsewhere and/or releasing
stdcxx under
On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:51 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 09/12/12 05:39 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
DESCRIPTION
* There was some licensing FUD discussed on the list, mostly to promote
a rationale
On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Is this all about your point of view that even though Apache stdcxx
is designed as a library, esp as a system library, that GPLv2 programs
cannot use and link to it because the FSF says that the ALv2
is incompatible w/ GPLv2
On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
On 09/13/12 07:43 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Is that the actionable item of which you speak? You want the ASF to verify
something in the GPLv2?
No - We want to discuss the Apache foundation transferring their rights
On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:12 PM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
We appreciate you telling the choir, but it doesn't help resolve this. How
to best proceed? Is legal-discuss the best way to go forward or something
else?
Why? What are you looking for? And who is the expected
Sorry. I've been Reply-All'ing.
On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, C. Bergström
cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
Is legal-discuss the best way to go forward or something else?
I'm not sure what the question is, but it
Just a quick Email... the list has been pretty quiet
lately and just pinging to see who's still watching
and reading :)
Anyone wish to add anything? Is the project dead and attic
bound, or is it not?
On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Stefan Teleman stefan.tele...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
Just a quick Email... the list has been pretty quiet
lately
I am stepping down as Chair of the C++ StdLib PMC.
So the question is: Does this project and community
elect a new Chair, or does it enter the Attic?
The ASF was asked to comment on the move of the project to the Attic.
The below is what was sent.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org
Subject: Re: [Contact] Media question
To: Serdar Yegulalp ser...@genjipress.com
No worries. Here it is again.
One of the core
On Aug 6, 2013, at 11:50 AM, C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com wrote:
The Apache way didn't work for this project and instead of trying to think
outside the box... Some passionate people (primarily you?) decided it was
better to close it.
If the Apache way didn't work for this project
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