Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/10/2012 05:26 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2012-11-09 18:27, Matthew Miller wrote: The js package is 6.5MB. BTW I suppose that could be significantly reduced by linking /usr/bin/js with the dynamic libmozjs instead of the static one generated during the build. It seems to take something

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/09/2012 07:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.11.2012 17:45, schrieb Thomas Woerner: On 11/09/2012 05:24 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote: Please have a look at the feature list for F-18. firewalld replaces system-config-firewall/lokkit, and the iptables and ip6tables services, not the

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-12 Thread Kamil Paral
I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a_core_ system, you must use kickstart like this:

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Matthew Miller píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 15:15 -0500: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core Please comment and

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 11/12/2012 07:28 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Kevin Kofler wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: - depends on Python stack +1, we really need to get Python out of the minimal installation. The focus should be on replacing the existing Python-based packages in the minimum set

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 06:35:50PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 04:02:27PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: So .. they're different things. I'm still unclear what sort of appliances you're trying to build and what for, and that will affect what tool you decide to

F-18 Branched report: 20121112 changes

2012-11-12 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 12 09:15:40 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dhcp-forwarder] dhcp-forwarder-upstart-0.10-1801.fc18.noarch requires /sbin/initctl [dvipdfm] dvipdfm-0.13.2d-44.fc18.x86_64 requires

Re: akonadi-googledata retire

2012-11-12 Thread Nicola Soranzo
Il giorno dom, 11/11/2012 alle 11.04 +0100, Mario Santagiuliana ha scritto: I follow the step to retire akonadi-googledata package. The upstream project is no longer maintain and in kdepim-runtime there is already a new akonadi resource for google services. On fedora git web interface I

Re: how do I allow a service on an arbitrary local interface the firewalld way?

2012-11-12 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/09/2012 05:21 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: I'm making a crude fake EC2 environment on my test machine, and as part of that, I need a web server listening on 169.254.169.254. I've bound this address to lo:0. How do I use firewall-cmd to allow http through? It's blocked by default. I thought I

rawhide report: 20121112 changes

2012-11-12 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 12 08:15:06 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [LabPlot] LabPlot-1.6.0.2-12.fc18.i686 requires libaudiofile.so.0 LabPlot-1.6.0.2-12.fc18.x86_64 requires libaudiofile.so.0()(64bit)

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:13:15AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: BUT for some reason live CD builds have been added as this kind of sideways after-thought to Koji. I guess that's because livecd-creator had to run as root and had to do all sorts of strange stuff with device nodes. None of

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:17:53AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Many of the Koji builders are actually virtualized themselves now, so if the build process is planning to spin up a new VM, it needs to either be forced to run on a hardware builder (because I really can't believe that the install

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Horák
Jaroslav Reznik píše v Po 12. 11. 2012 v 04:52 -0500: - Original Message - Matthew Miller píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 15:15 -0500: So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection:

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Steve Grubb
On Saturday, November 10, 2012 09:26:26 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 02:33:53AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on

Re: Re: akonadi-googledata retire

2012-11-12 Thread Mario Santagiuliana
In data lunedì 12 novembre 2012 14:41:43, Nicola Soranzo ha scritto: Ciao Mario, did you follow the steps of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life in the right order? If you completed step 5) before step 2) and 3), then you need the help of a provenpackager

Re: akonadi-googledata retire

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:57:06 +0100 Mario Santagiuliana fed...@marionline.it wrote: In data lunedì 12 novembre 2012 14:41:43, Nicola Soranzo ha scritto: Ciao Mario, did you follow the steps of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life in the right order?

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/11/2012 10:01 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: Jesse, To be fair - gnome/kde importing something into rawhide/branched that's not finished doesn't shut down everyone else's ability to test the distro I think it is disingenuous to talk about another distro using anaconda - b/c the only other

[@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
Okay, cool -- there's a lot of enthusiasm for a SIG for the core package set. So, first up on the SIG goals: clarifying our target. It's been suggested before that there's so many possibilities that this is useless, but the point here is to *pick* a reasonable choice as a group and to work with

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: Okay, cool -- there's a lot of enthusiasm for a SIG for the core package set. So, first up on the SIG goals: clarifying our target. It's been suggested before that there's so many possibilities that this is useless, but the point here is to *pick*

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:37:54AM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: Of course, the real question is why the heck PolicyKit needs a Turing- complete rule language (which also forced everyone to port their existing rules) when the previously-used simple INI-style pkla rule format did the job

Re: itext 5.x

2012-11-12 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, we can't have itext-5 in Fedora. Please see [1] and the references therein. We could not update bouncycastle either, lately, due to its incompatibility with itext-2. I have some patches that give partial success

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths systems I use/maintain/etc very few of them are ones I actually have a reliable console to. If ssh isn't there, I have to add it just to get the system set up. Yeah: if we get to the point

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths systems I use/maintain/etc very few of them are ones I actually have a reliable console to. If ssh isn't there, I have to add it just to get the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2012-11-11 23:43, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 11/12/2012 08:56 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On 2012-11-11 22:02, Panu Matilainen wrote: Based on a quick grep, it doesn't seem to consider obsoletion at all, which explains what I see on the DVD and perhaps deserves looking at. I think the

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 10:01 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: Jesse, To be fair - gnome/kde importing something into rawhide/branched that's not finished doesn't shut down everyone else's ability to test the distro I think it is

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/12/2012 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote: And there was a third option ... port over the old anaconda to the F18 changes. (so you'd have less changes). Which would have taken just about as long to get working, and would delay the newui move further. But that's OK, you can keep banging that

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/12/2012 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote: And there was a third option ... port over the old anaconda to the F18 changes. (so you'd have less changes). Which would have taken just about as long to get working, and would

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths systems I use/maintain/etc very few of them are ones I actually have a reliable console

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths systems I use/maintain/etc very few of them are

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/12/2012 08:58 AM, drago01 wrote: How so? You'd have to just port over the other layers to work with the new stuff and in F19 focus on the UI. Now you had to do both at the same time with the same amount of man power. Changes in the dracut environment broke assumptions in the runtime

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/12/2012 06:03 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/12/2012 06:03 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 05:58:01PM +0100, drago01 wrote: How so? You'd have to just port over the other layers to work with the new stuff and in F19 focus on the UI. Now you had to do both at the same time with the same amount of man power. I haven't looked at the new code, but I've spent a

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 11/12/2012 06:10 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/12/2012 06:03 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Petr Lautrbach wrote: scp is a ssh client. It connects to other host using a ssh connection and runs 'scp -t' or 'scp -f' commands on the remote side. From my point of view, it's same as any other program you can use via ssh and I believe that openssh-clients is the

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Seg, 2012-11-12 at 08:49 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/12/2012 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote: And there was a third option ... port over the old anaconda to the F18 changes. (so you'd have less changes). Which would have taken just about as long to get working, and would delay the

[Bug 875784] New: perl-CGI-3.62 is available

2012-11-12 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875784 Bug ID: 875784 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC:

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:41:22AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: On 11/10/2012 05:26 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2012-11-09 18:27, Matthew Miller wrote: The js package is 6.5MB. BTW I suppose that could be significantly reduced by linking /usr/bin/js with the dynamic libmozjs instead of the

[Bug 875787] New: perl-IO-Compress-2.057 is available

2012-11-12 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875787 Bug ID: 875787 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC:

[Bug 875789] New: perl-Net-HTTP-6.05 is available

2012-11-12 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875789 Bug ID: 875789 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC:

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 02:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we remove it from core? Of course, the real question is why the heck

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 11/12/2012 06:44 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Petr Lautrbach wrote: scp is a ssh client. It connects to other host using a ssh connection and runs 'scp -t' or 'scp -f' commands on the remote side. From my point of view, it's same as any other program you can use via ssh

Re: Network interface renaming, where does INTERFACE_NAME get applied?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 00:45 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 09.11.12 11:42, Daniel Drake (d...@laptop.org) wrote: Hi Bill I see that initscripts in F18 ships this udev rule: ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM==net, PROGRAM=/lib/udev/rename_device, RESULT==?*,

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:10:21PM +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote: A thin client would probably not want to install openssh-server. Bringing us back around to the point of this thread. :) Thin client is one use case. Server base is another. JEOS cloud image is another. We don't necessarily have

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Seth Vidal wrote: Yum will likely be replaced with dnf afaik. I don't think zif is under consideration at all. That's exactly what I'm complaining about. Dnf is no improvement over yum at all, zif would bring real advantages through the simple fact that it's native code, not Python. Native C

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jan Zelený wrote: Yes, that's the plan. But dnf is still Python. So if we really want to get Python out of minimal install, there is a room for possible alternatives I guess. Right. We need to stop writing core system components in scripting languages! But none of this is certainly

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Steve Grubb
On Monday, November 12, 2012 12:27:52 PM Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 02:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jan Zelený wrote: Yes, that's the plan. But dnf is still Python. So if we really want to get Python out of minimal install, there is a room for possible alternatives I guess. Right. We need to stop writing core

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz said: - Much easier access to higher-level (and more efficient!) data structures. C programs frequently use linked lists instead of e.g. hash tables simply because maintaining hash tables and the associated memory allocation is just too complex.

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Steve Grubb
On Monday, November 12, 2012 08:15:48 PM Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jan Zelený wrote: Yes, that's the plan. But dnf is still Python. So if we really want to get Python out of minimal install, there is a room for possible

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz said: - Much easier access to higher-level (and more efficient!) data structures. C programs frequently use linked lists instead of e.g. hash tables simply because maintaining

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz said: Sure. Now create a hash table indexed by a tuple, or for more challenge by an unordered set of strings. Or have all items of the same type hashed by three different fields for fast lookups. If I were trying to do all that, I'd probably

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 11/12/2012 09:43 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 11/12/2012 08:56 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On 2012-11-11 22:02, Panu Matilainen wrote: Based on a quick grep, it doesn't seem to consider obsoletion at all, which explains what I see on the DVD and perhaps deserves looking at. I think the

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the time. Couldn't it be dbus activated, and then go away when it's not

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Petr Lautrbach wrote: which was, in fact, what I said. scp is something people expect to be able to use on servers to send files over. that it is not there makes the server install feel a touch awkward. that's all. A thin client would probably not want to install

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:08:38PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: To be fair if we're talking about redefining what goes into @core (which cannot be deselected, and mandatory items cannot be deselected) then even those doing kickstart/pxe are relevant to the discussion. Is it now the case that

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:21:43PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: To be fair if we're talking about redefining what goes into @core (which cannot be deselected, and mandatory items cannot be deselected) then even those doing kickstart/pxe are relevant to the discussion. Is it now the case that

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/12/2012 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:08:38PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: To be fair if we're talking about redefining what goes into @core (which cannot be deselected, and mandatory items cannot be deselected)

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:33:05 +0100 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com escribió: On 2012-11-09, 14:30 GMT, David Cantrell wrote: Just to cite similar complaints I see from time to time... It irritates me that people think it's a problem that in 2012

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Benny Amorsen
Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org writes: fantastic. show me a deployment somewhere of a 'thin client' that doesn't use their own custom kickstart/pxe for instantiating the clients and that will be relevant to this discussion. Is kickstart installs generally out of scope for minimal

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Benny Amorsen wrote: Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org writes: fantastic. show me a deployment somewhere of a 'thin client' that doesn't use their own custom kickstart/pxe for instantiating the clients and that will be relevant to this discussion. Is kickstart

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 02:53:01PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really don't understand why a core system component such as firewalld is implemented in Python! Here, I mostly don't see the reason for it to be running all the

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Maybe one day we'll have good nested virt though ... Nested virt would really be the right solution, if we can make it work with today's hardware. It feels quite wrong that virtualization can do everything except virtualizing, it kinda breaks the abstraction.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us said: El Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:33:05 +0100 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com escribió: a) Why installer requires 2-4 times more memory than any other program running on my computer (and the software you use on it could be a good example of SOHO

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Last time I checked the SIG's surrounding each of those spins they themselves where responsible for their own spins sizes so if they pass that they might just as well be doing so deliberately to deliver better out of the box experience for their target user base...

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/12/2012 09:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Last time I checked the SIG's surrounding each of those spins they themselves where responsible for their own spins sizes so if they pass that they might just as well be doing so deliberately to deliver better out of the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: They already aren't. Half the point of going to 1GB would be to include them. There's no way LibreOffice is going to fit on the KDE spin with a 1 GiB target limit. We're already almost there no thanks to MiniDebugInfo. We'd need an even higher target size to fit

Re: Re: akonadi-googledata retire

2012-11-12 Thread Mario Santagiuliana
In data lunedì 12 novembre 2012 08:53:19, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto: It happens. I've pushed the commits to mark it dead.package now. Please let me know if you still see anything amiss and I will help you fix it up. Thank you very much Kevin! Everything should be ok now! Thanks to Nicola and

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Fesco needs to provide the reasoning behind that decision to me it makes no sense since the community surrounding their spins are the once that actually decide what goes on them since they are the once doing their own leg work... Their reasoning was simply that

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:09:42 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/12/2012 09:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Last time I checked the SIG's surrounding each of those spins they themselves where responsible for their own spins sizes so if they

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:12:21 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I *AM* a member of the KDE SIG and have de-facto maintained the KDE spin kickstart ever since Sebastian Vahl (the official maintainer) has stopped taking care of it. FESCo has clearly said that they don't care about

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Richard Vickery
If dnf is no improvement, then I'd rather we stick with yum; messing with something new just means spending time that I don't have trying to learn that new command. This is incredibly cumbersome. If at all possible, please stay with yum. On Nov 12, 2012 10:53 AM, Kevin Kofler

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-12 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/12/2012 09:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: FESCo decided the benefit to always having mini-debuginfo available outweighed the downside of increased space. I see done to making abrt atleast somewhat usable JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com said: If dnf is no improvement, then I'd rather we stick with yum; messing with something new just means spending time that I don't have trying to learn that new command. This is incredibly cumbersome. If at all possible, please

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:49:58PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Maybe one day we'll have good nested virt though ... Nested virt would really be the right solution, if we can make it work with today's hardware. It feels quite wrong that virtualization can do

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 01:42:02PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:10:21PM +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote: A thin client would probably not want to install openssh-server. Bringing us back around to the point of this thread. :) Thin client is one use case. Server

macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-12 Thread Rex Dieter
See also, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875954 orionp and I were discussing on irc today, the idea to add -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo to %cmake by default in /etc/rpm/macros.cmake , while making it easy to set/override manually, similar to how %_cmake_lib_suffix64 is

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Richard Vickery
Change still frightens people to varying degree s., and many busy end-users may not have time to read pages in order to learn a new command On Nov 12, 2012 1:46 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com said: If dnf is no

[X-post] Reminder: FESCo, FAmSCo, Board election nomination period and questionnaire collection ends today!

2012-11-12 Thread Ankur Sinha
Attention all fedorians! This is an urgent but gentle reminder that the nomination period for the elections ends today (November 13 at 2359 UTC). Please update the wiki page with your nominations before the nominations period ends later today if you'd like to be considered and voted for! All the

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:12:20 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:25:35PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: I think appliance-creator is pretty much unsupported at this point, isn't it? Yes, so moving

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:40:02 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:35:16PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:12:20AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: We could maybe engineer an

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Dennis Gilmore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:12:20 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:25:35PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: I think appliance-creator is pretty much unsupported

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com said: Change still frightens people to varying degree s., and many busy end-users may not have time to read pages in order to learn a new command It is in _development_ and is just in F18 as a preview. If/when it is ready to replace

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:27:34PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: But there was a non-UI way. Does that no longer work? The non-UI way was kickstart. But you can't deselect (-) mandatory packages in a group. @core is primarily made up of mandatory packages. Huh. I could swear I've done that

Re: MariaDB: Packagers needed

2012-11-12 Thread Christopher Meng
I just found this. https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-1000-changelog -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Christopher Meng
I think a minimal image is just like centos minimal. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:13:54AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: I think a minimal image is just like centos minimal. Care to share what that means? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: MariaDB: Packagers needed

2012-11-12 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: I just found this. https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-1000-changelog Nice find. Are you suggesting anything? -- It's hard to be free... but I love to struggle. Love isn't asked for; it's just given. Respect isn't

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Christopher Meng
I don't know Fedora minimal looks like...FOR SERVER USE the Minimal includes: Network support; BASH; Maybe some development tools also. Nothing else. BUT FOR DESKTOP USE,I think it should also have a desktop based on server version...That's what is troubling me...If it has a built-in desktop,I

Re: MariaDB: Packagers needed

2012-11-12 Thread Christopher Meng
So IMO I think now that we can accept different database tools into repo,it's available for us to include mariadb.Official says they will try to become a independent software but not a mod based on MySQL... Maybe easy for review? I don't know exactly... -- devel mailing list

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:12:20AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:25:35PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: I think appliance-creator is pretty much unsupported at this point, isn't it? Yes, so moving to ami-creator might be a good choice. livemedia-creator is

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:04:29PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: adapting livecd creator to run on a cloud instance rather than with virt locally. Or something. Any ideas? livemedia-creator has a --no-vitr mode which uses anaconda's --image install mode. It doesn't currently work for F18, but

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 05:48:05PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Its not available because ive not yet worked out the magic to be able to create a chroot with the target bits i.e. f18 and run livemedia-creator in the chroot and have it spin up a vm and do the install etc and work as it needs

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2012-11-12 12:59, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us said: El Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:33:05 +0100 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com escribió: a) Why installer requires 2-4 times more memory than any other program running on my computer (and the software you use on it

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 10:05:50PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:04:29PM -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: adapting livecd creator to run on a cloud instance rather than with virt locally. Or something. Any ideas? livemedia-creator has a --no-vitr mode which uses

iprutils -- should this be pulled in by anaconda instead of in core?

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
The iprutils package provides utilities for IBM Power Linux RAID adapters. Up until current rawhide, this was exclusive to that architecture. However, now it's built on all archs (because these devices _may_ be found there). I know anaconda currently does some magic to install storage-related

Re: livemedia-creator and the fedora build system [was Re: appliance-creator: how can I ...]

2012-11-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.11.2012 21:49, schrieb Kevin Kofler: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Maybe one day we'll have good nested virt though ... Nested virt would really be the right solution, if we can make it work with today's hardware. It feels quite wrong that virtualization can do everything except

Re: macros.cmake: set -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo by default

2012-11-12 Thread Richard Shaw
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: See also, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875954 orionp and I were discussing on irc today, the idea to add -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=ReleaseWithDebInfo to %cmake by default in /etc/rpm/macros.cmake , while making

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/12/2012 05:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:27:34PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: But there was a non-UI way. Does that no longer work? The non-UI way was kickstart. But you can't deselect (-) mandatory packages in a group. @core is primarily made up of mandatory

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:39PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Yeah, that's a thing that probably could be done. Bug again I'd like some input from people who have made the switch to these packages being mandatory. Well, I think it's just that the policy for a long time that since core isn't

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