[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2014-11-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 940 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 159 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-1616/puppet-2.7.26-1.el6 30

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 5 updates-testing report

2014-11-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 940 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 394 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11893/libguestfs-1.20.12-1.el5 159

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2014-11-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 20 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-3621/php-Smarty-3.1.21-1.el7 20 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-3642/Pound-2.7-0.4.d.el7.1 16

Re: [EPEL-devel] [EPEL] #8: EPEL-latest link rpm

2014-11-18 Thread EPEL
#8: EPEL-latest link rpm -+-- Reporter: smooge | Owner: smooge Type: enhancement | Status: accepted Priority: minor | Milestone: Component: Policy problem |Version: Resolution: |

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 5 updates-testing report

2014-11-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 941 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 395 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11893/libguestfs-1.20.12-1.el5 160

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2014-11-18 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 941 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 160 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-1616/puppet-2.7.26-1.el6 31

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Guys and galls, if you have Lenovo laptop please install latest Fedora 21 beta and provide feedback because there are reported cases that suspend/resume doesn't work on Lenovo laptops. The only issue with Carbon X1 I have with Fedora 21 Beta it, that it takes

Re: Status of weak dependencies support in Fedora 21+

2014-11-18 Thread Jan Zelený
On 15. 11. 2014 at 14:51:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Silhan wrote: 3. The page says The depsolver may offer to treat the weak like very weak relations or the other way round does dnf do that? or not? DNF doesn't do that and never will. IMO that would be too hackish behavior. It's

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-DBD-CSV approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: approveacls of package: perl-DBD-CSV from: Approved to: Approved on branch: epel7 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-DBD-CSV -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Les Howell
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Things are not black and white there is a disable touchpad while typing option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that something is broken like it is now. Possibly, but

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 11:29 AM, Les Howell wrote: On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Things are not black and white there is a disable touchpad while typing option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that something is

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: approveacls of package: perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el5 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate commit set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: commit of package: perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el6 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Hi Mustafa! Mustafa Muhammad mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click by tapping is off by default. Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Module-Load watchbugzilla set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: watchbugzilla of package: perl-Module-Load from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el6 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Module-Load -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson bjorn@rombobjörn.se wrote: drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Things are not black and white there is a disable touchpad while typing option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Mustafa Muhammad mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson bjorn@rombobjörn.se wrote: Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on random things by accident, instead of just thinking so? I

F-21 Branched report: 20141118 changes

2014-11-18 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 18 07:15:02 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [audtty] audtty-0.1.12-9.fc20.armv7hl requires libaudclient.so.2 [authhub] authhub-0.1.2-3.fc19.armv7hl requires libjson.so.0 [avro]

Re: Status of weak dependencies support in Fedora 21+

2014-11-18 Thread Björn Persson
Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com wrote: On 15. 11. 2014 at 14:51:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Silhan wrote: 3. The page says The depsolver may offer to treat the weak like very weak relations or the other way round does dnf do that? or not? DNF doesn't do that and never will. IMO that

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. No, actually we don't. We

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Björn Persson
Jaroslav Nahorny jaros...@hackerspace.pl wrote: [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and having wireless interface turned on produces

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert mattias.ell...@fysast.uu.se wrote: tis 2014-11-18 klockan 00:16 +0200 skrev Nikos Roussos: On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Stransky
Hi, It looks like the recent Firefox Adds does not break any Fedora rules so it's perfectly ok to ship it as is. The H264 codec download feature break the Fedora law and has been removed from Fedora. When Fedora rules the Adds out of the apps it will be removed from FF immediately. Until

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and can point people to the Fedora project. We shouldn't be doing that

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Stransky
On 11/17/2014 02:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that upstream does not

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, Even if you know that this weird feature exists, it will take you hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through setting and control panels you will get tons and tons of random clicks that open random windows that needs to be closed and change random

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-11-19)

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Mraz
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-11-19 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Erik Schilling
On 18 Nov 2014 05:56, Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-11-18 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 12:11 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Firefox also builds a repository of intermediate certificates over time and uses them automatically to fill gaps in certificate chains for completely unrelated sites. This leads to somewhat non-predictable behavior regarding the set

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On 11/16/2014 05:36 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): Lars Seipel wrote: What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship applications to carry ads and report tracking data? No! IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora

[Test-Announce] 2014-11-19 @ 1600 UTC ** Blocker Review Meeting

2014-11-18 Thread Mike Ruckman
# F21 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2014-11-19 # Time: 16:00 UTC (run date -d '2014-11-19 16:00 UTC' to see local time) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net It's that time of the week again! Things have been moving along smoothly after the Beta release - and now Freeze is upon

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 08:24 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: But in the end Fedora and its kernel maintainers didn't care. Which might be the right thing to do for X as well, because companies then learn that they need to keep track of ongoing development and users notice some of the risks

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-18 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Lo! Adam Jackson wrote on 17.11.2014 20:06: With that in mind, I ask for feedback on how we'd actually like that to work. The kernel rebase policy seems like a pretty reasonable model: F21 would stay on 1.16.x

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Peter Hutterer píše v Út 18. 11. 2014 v 14:55 +1000: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Mustafa Muhammad píše v Po 17. 11. 2014 v 14:27 +0300: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click by tapping is off by default. Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-11-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.11.2014 um 16:12 schrieb Michael Catanzaro: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 12:11 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Firefox also builds a repository of intermediate certificates over time and uses them automatically to fill gaps in certificate chains for completely unrelated sites. This leads to

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote: I believe M$ made good experience with ballot screen, may be we should implement something similar in open source spirit ;) If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much better option than just replacing it

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. How about an opt-in requirement? -- Ben

I want to make Ryan Hallisey a co-maintainer of policycoreutils.

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel J Walsh
He is not currently in the packager list. But he does not have a package that needs to be added to Fedora. He is just making changes to policycoreutils? What is the procedure to get him on the packager list for this package. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a consistent policy on

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On 11/18/2014 05:46 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote: I believe M$ made good experience with ballot screen, may be we should implement something similar in open source spirit ;) If we do not want Firefox as default, this

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on the installation, not something fetched from a

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 17:14 +, Nikos Roussos wrote: On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: How about an opt-in requirement? Yes, that would make more sense. But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I can't

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tomas Radej tra...@redhat.com wrote: Based on the aforementioned, I think it's infinitely easier to fix Firefox than push for Chromium. I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... so if we're

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:00:35 -0600 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: Another way how to promote Fedora is to set welcome page to start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone] 1.80 bump, based on version 2014j of the Olson database

2014-11-18 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 06865a8417d55025b0f0e3fcf81d34bd913bb58d Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Nov 18 18:44:00 2014 +0100 1.80 bump, based on version 2014j of the Olson database perl-DateTime-TimeZone.spec |8 ++-- sources |2 +- 2 files changed, 7

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: *but* please avoid FUD and paranoia and claim upstream unstrustable until you can prove that instead of assume it Exactly! Thank you! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 07:21 PM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
Thanks to this bugreport [1] now suspend and resume work as expected on Fedora 21, finally! Issue was with missing TPM modules! One solution would be to disable TPM in EFI/BIOS and other to install missing kernel-modules-extra package. Now resume finally works! Also suspend now takes almost

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se writes: Jaroslav Nahorny jaros...@hackerspace.pl wrote: [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:40:02 +0100, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Mozilla is a third party. There is no reason that they should be contacted by default. calling upstream 3rd party is somehow strange most code in fedora is

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mustafa Muhammad wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson bjorn@rombobjörn.se wrote: By the way, Disable touchpad when writing is enabled by default, so this should not affect typing. No, it's not

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:44:04 -0800, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote: I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide for in our default browser that

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger area is for moving,

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Erik Schilling
On 18/11/14 22:02, Kevin Kofler wrote: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why do users even expect tapping to

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Thomas C. Gilliard
On 11/18/2014 01:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why do users even expect tapping to

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jiri Eischmann wrote: If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups are supposed to do such decisions now. If you're talking about one of other spins (KDE, Xfce,...), then you should go to the

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert mattias.ell...@fysast.uu.se wrote: Even if you know that this weird feature exists, it will take you hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through setting and control panels you will get tons and tons

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Fulko Hew
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 11:09 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups are supposed to do such decisions now. If you're talking about one of other spins

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert mattias.ell...@fysast.uu.se wrote: Even if you know that this weird feature exists, it will take you hours to disable it, since while you are trying to

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide for in our default browser that other browser we have packages for don't meet? I find Midori reasonable on x86_64. There is currently an i686 problem because a library it uses is compiled with an

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger area is for moving, the buttons are for clicking. The only case in which tapping makes sense is if the touchpad has NO buttons at all (but then

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:02:10PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: do you right-click? So I don't expect this to be a common case, except maybe in Apple's one-button land). Apple also disables tap-to-click by default. So if it's true that users expect that to be enabled those expectations must've

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at writes: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn virtual buttons), why do users even expect tapping to

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:09 +0100 valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Issue was with missing TPM modules! One solution would be to disable TPM in EFI/BIOS and other to install missing kernel-modules-extra package. Jackpot, that was my problem too. The interesting

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 22:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: That's a webkitgtk issue, look at how we handle this in QtWebKit. (You have to build the library twice, as /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk* with the WebKit JIT disabled and as /usr/lib/sse2/libwebkitgtk* with the JIT enabled. The WebKit

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or gnome-shell is the same form of

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i686 is absolutely a supported architecture, it's just not one that's regularly tested. This is the one for webkit:

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I'm killfiling this thread and I'm inches away from leaving the mailing list. Can we move on? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Is there a bug report about this? Could

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:16:34PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se writes: Jaroslav Nahorny jaros...@hackerspace.pl wrote: [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05:01PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert mattias.ell...@fysast.uu.se wrote: Even if you know that this weird feature exists, it will take you hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at writes: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that special button is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons

Re: rawhide report: 20141118 changes

2014-11-18 Thread Jens Petersen
alex-3.0.5-37.fc21 requires libHSbase-4.6.0.1-ghc7.6.3.so : : Sorry for all the missing ghc libHS* provides...: this happened while rebuilding ghc to use llvm34 to get it to work again on ARM, due to some recent dependency generation changes in ghc-rpm-macros. I already fixed this

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Felix Miata
Jaroslav Nahorny composed on 2014-11-18 22:59 (UTC+0100): I think, if the device have some capability (feature) it shouldn't be disabled by default. Right. Every feature every programmer takes the trouble to put into a program, and every feature every chip maker puts into his chip, should be

[Bug 1164450] perl-Time-Duration-1.10 introduces broken deps

2014-11-18 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1164450 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Fixed

[Bug 1159515] perl-Net-POP3S-0.05 is available

2014-11-18 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1159515 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Fixed In Version|perl-Net-POP3S-0.05-1.fc21

[Bug 1159515] perl-Net-POP3S-0.05 is available

2014-11-18 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1159515 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Fixed In Version|perl-Net-POP3S-0.05-1.el7

Orphaned Packages in epel6 (2014-11-17)

2014-11-18 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF set point of contact to: pghmcfc

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc changed point of contact of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: orphan to: pghmcfc on branch: el5 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF commit set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: commit of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el5 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF watchbugzilla set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: watchbugzilla of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el6 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF watchbugzilla set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: watchbugzilla of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el5 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF commit set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF set point of contact to: pghmcfc

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc changed point of contact of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: orphan to: pghmcfc on branch: epel7 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF watchcommits set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: approveacls of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: epel7 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF watchcommits set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-DBD-CSV approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF set point of contact to: pghmcfc

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc changed point of contact of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: orphan to: pghmcfc on branch: el6 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF watchbugzilla set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: watchbugzilla of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: epel7 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-DBD-CSV approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Convert-TNEF approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
user: pghmcfc set for pghmcfc acl: approveacls of package: perl-Convert-TNEF from: Approved to: Approved on branch: el5 To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/perl-Convert-TNEF -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

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