Re: orphaning cal3d, freeimage, libosip2, linphone, opencv, osgal

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 15:45:54 +0200, Mario Ceresa mrcer...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno, if you take freeimage, I'll help you co-maintaining it I have claimed freeimage. If you apply for update and/or acl access I'll approve them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: orphaning cal3d, freeimage, libosip2, linphone, opencv, osgal

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:47:32 +0200, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, On 05/11/2013 11:04 PM, François Cami wrote: Hello, I'm orphaning some packages: cal3d -- Skeletal based 3-D character animation library This is needed by sear, which is a WorldForge 3d client, which

sear and sear-media being retired

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I am going to retire sear and sear-media as sear isn't being actively maintained upstream and ember is the primary worldforge client. Because of the beta freeze, I won't be doing the actual retirement for about a week (hopefully). I have already done ember and ember-media builds that obsolete

Re: Question about what to do if mantainer is absent

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 18:32:14 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Oh Fesco is only busy but the rest of the community is not omg let me not waste your holy time sir... Everybody is busy. I think the point is, that if this is something you find very important, you

Re: orphaning cal3d, freeimage, libosip2, linphone, opencv, osgal

2013-05-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:47:32 +0200, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, On 05/11/2013 11:04 PM, François Cami wrote: Hello, I'm orphaning some packages: cal3d -- Skeletal based 3-D character animation library This is needed by sear, which is a WorldForge 3d client, which

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
The discussion on what to drop from the install DVD and some of the live images is possible going to heated as people argue the case for packages they want to keep on the media. Please treat your fellow developers with respect during this discussion. Please try to provide reasoned arguments

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 09:23:44 -0700, Ravindra Kumar ravindraku...@vmware.com wrote: Thinking more about it. I believe ideal will be to add 'open-vm-tools' to the @core group and add 'open-vm-tools-desktop' to the @standard group. It might help to elaborate your reasoning. @core is going

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:48:01 -0700, Ravindra Kumar ravindraku...@vmware.com wrote: It is not required for system to be functional, but it also leaves a significant gap in the VM to be fully operational unless Tools are installed. I listed out a bunch of functionality that depends on

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 16:48:39 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:39:16AM -0700, Ravindra Kumar wrote: Keep in mind that @standard is just that -- installed as part of every normal install. Ok, I think it should work open-vm-tools. Do I make

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 15:58:03 -0700, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather have QA have move oversight on these things. As I only discovered this while doing QA. QA isn't really the right place to make up policy. This particular case doesn't seem to be something that

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:54:37 -0500, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said: I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by DVD size

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:11:56 -0400, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have a discussion about whether or not this

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:26:51 -0400, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that the UI will not hide it. Are you

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:48:28 -0400, Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch -- is this really needed? Why doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something? It's entirely possible

Re: [Fedora-spins] F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:21:09 -0400, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said: I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media. Here's everything new in the F19 DVD,

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 02:37:00 +0100, Pádraig Brady p...@draigbrady.com wrote: Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all? I think the target is actually 4 GiB for file system reasons. It makes downloading to some older files systems possible. Do we distribute DVDs? If so

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:26:13 -0400, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Bill Nottingham writes: Anyway, here are my suggestions: valgrind eclipse gimp kdegames I don't think gimp is that great of a choice to drop. That's a tool that I think some of the less technical of our

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-05-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:17:46 +0100, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: I see you're a Thunderbird user. Does it have the same option that Evolution does, to ignore abusive Reply-To: settings on mailing lists? If you use maildrop filtering, you can have it strip reply-to headers

Re: next pkgdb?

2013-04-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:08:24 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 15:28 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: It returns you to pkgdb to set acls and the relationships tab gives an error. I was mainly looking at it to manage permissions (right now). Packages is

Re: next pkgdb?

2013-04-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:55:35 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: We're also thinking of a Become comaintainer button that applies for you to all ACLs for the latest 2 branches (for example). You'd probably want the default to be all active Fedora branches rather than

Re: rawhide report: 20130413 changes

2013-04-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 16:53:14 +0200, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le samedi 13 avril 2013 à 11:10 +, Fedora Rawhide Report a écrit : Compose started at Sat Apr 13 08:15:26 UTC 2013 [system-config-kickstart] system-config-kickstart-2.9.1-1.fc20.noarch requires

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 09:24:49 +0200, Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com wrote: I'm not sure this solves the initial problem - downloading new metadata every 6 hours or so ... Does the metadata really need to be downloaded or just checked to see if it is current? -- devel mailing list

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 00:05:45 +0800, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The current behaviour would be obtained by setting it to 1, and setting it to 2 would already be a positive change as it would allow downgrading a package if the update went wrong. I don't think that is

Re: Package EVR problems in Fedora 2013-04-05

2013-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 08:35:19 +0800, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: I think after migrating to cgit there comes a lot if errors like this. How would cgit bit related to EVR errors? EVR errors typically come from doing an update in one branch, but not later ones. -- devel

Re: bison, flex have broken deps in rawhide

2013-04-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 09:59:36 -0400, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: DEBUG util.py:264: Error: Package: bison-2.7-1.fc20.x86_64 (build) DEBUG util.py:264: Requires: m4 = 1.4 DEBUG util.py:264: Error: Package: flex-2.5.37-1.fc20.x86_64 (build) DEBUG util.py:264:

Re: bison, flex have broken deps in rawhide

2013-04-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 00:53:25 +0900, Mamoru TASAKA mtas...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Note that on i686 building buildroot seemed successful (but was canceled due to x86_64 side buildroot creating failure: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/2571/5212571/root.log task root:

Re: [F18][ATI Rage XL] Problems with install on ATI Rage XP video driver

2013-04-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 20:38:14 +0100, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: Okay a bit more info :- F17 Anaconda is running at the same descent resolution as F16. On F18 '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' is reporting VESA. I will try rolling an F19 ISO next just to rule out that its not a

Re: New version a new version of Maxima in Sourceforge

2013-04-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 15:24:41 +, Eduardo Jorge bonvivant150...@gmail.com wrote: There is a fresh, new version of Maxima in sourceforge: 5.30.0. Please update Maxima. Thank you. You keep sending these here. You should be filing RFE bugs against the packages instead. If there are

Re: [F18][ATI Rage XL] Problems with install on ATI Rage XP video driver

2013-04-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 13:54:00 -0700, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: That always helps, but let's not kid ourselves that even all comprehensively documented graphics bugs are fixed. There just aren't the developers to fix them all, and 'likely prevalence of hardware in the

Re: [F18][ATI Rage XL] Problems with install on ATI Rage XP video driver

2013-04-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 22:22:12 +0100, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am a C/C++ coder and would love to be brought up to speed with what is required to be able fix bugs and problems in new releases for the hardware I posse. It seems things do get broken or left behind all too

Re: Updates

2013-03-19 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 13:16:01 -0300, Eduardo Jorge bonvivant150...@gmail.com wrote: xboard and gnuchess are GNU software and are too artificial intelligence packages. Please, update gnuchess to version 6.0.3 and xboard to version 4.7.0 (a major release) in Rawhide.

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

2013-03-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:22:37 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:18:34 +0100 In all seriousness, this is being fixed and rawhide compose being re-run. :) Are the reruns still running or late syncing up? Because both the rawhide and branched repos at

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

2013-03-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 14:36:49 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: The message bus is your friend here: Mar 13 13:34:10 fedmsg-bot compose.rawhide.rsync.start -- started rsyncing rawhide compose for public consumption

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

2013-03-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 14:57:50 -0600, Yeah, it's pretty awesome. If you use IRC already, it's very easy to just /join #fedora-fedmsg and that channel gets a live feed of messages. There's also the desktop version and the web interface. ;) I might try to get it to help me trigger my

Re: Proposal: Rawhide tracker bug

2013-03-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:07:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Well, we could look at adding critpath, but I think that could get us into more hazy territory, and some subjective issues around 'broken'. Especially since rawhide packages can change interfaces, and something

Re: Rawhide wiki page revamp

2013-03-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 13:49:39 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: If you see anything just wrong or a typo or an error, just fix it. If you think any part of it should be further discussed, chime in. ;) I suspect that the name is related to the old TV show Rawhide. The title song

Re: Fedora 19 schedule's new home plans

2013-03-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:09:14 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: 5. new TJ3 And the main goal of the move, cleanups and so on is to jump on TJ3 board - I have initial port done, but a lot of changes are needed and I'd like to start with TJ3 based schedule from a clean old

Re: festival [was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19]

2013-03-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:25:35 -0600, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 08:46:36 -0500, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:42:35AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I can provide a little help. Like, volunteering to be the main

Re: system freezes after loading gdm/gnome

2013-02-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 13:42:56 -0800, Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Jan Dvořák mor...@anilinux.org wrote: Do you see the same problem starting KDE instead? I will try again with something that does not use cogl and with disabled

Re: Maintainers wanted for packages from 2013-02-27 FESCo Meeting

2013-02-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 17:03:29 -0800, Brian C. Lane b...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 02:05:11PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: * maildrop -- Mail delivery agent with filtering abilities Added myself to maildrop I'd like to co-maintain maildrop since I use it to filter my

Re: festival [was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19]

2013-02-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 08:46:36 -0500, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:42:35AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I can provide a little help. Like, volunteering to be the main package owner at least throuhg F19? :) As long as we aren't planning to do a major

Re: festival [was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19]

2013-02-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 05:36:00 -0500, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:19:43AM +0100, Bill Nottingham wrote: Package festival (orphan) I put a lot of work into this package years ago, and would like to work on it again, but it's big and a little

Re: Remove echo-icon-theme from fedora

2013-02-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:47:15 +0100, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: Plus, as I'm also a user of echo-icon-theme I would like to have it in repos ;-) I plan to add echo-perspective to repos when it has some basic coverage ready and retire echo-icon-perspective when all its

Re: [Heads Up][Boost] Build of dependent packages before the massive rebuild

2013-02-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 16:58:47 +0100, Denis Arnaud denis.arnaud_fed...@m4x.org wrote: ​Yes, the massive rebuilds have occured. AFAIU, if Koji keeps reporting unresolved dependencies, it means that the corresponding packages FTBFS. So, if you are the owner or a co-maintainer, it would be nice

Re: festival [was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 19]

2013-02-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 10:04:36 -0500, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 07:38:30AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Anyone else want to work with me on this, or at least help keep it limping along until the next release and maybe make updating it a feature

Re: rawhide report: 20130223 changes

2013-02-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 16:05:51 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@verizon.net wrote: On 02/23/2013 03:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: snip mygui - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5047260 No idea what should be providing libCommon.so for it. snip maybe should be libcommon

Re: xmms being retired as of F19

2013-02-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:01:52 -0600, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I plan to retire xmms before F20 is branched as it is causing issues with the removal of some other obsolete packages and it has no upstream support. If anyone has objections to this please speak up soon

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:33:27 +0100, Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/14/2013 04:26 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I was still planning on retiring xmms. It has no upstream support. The volume control has issues that I don't have time to figure out. esound can

xmms being retired as of F19

2013-02-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I plan to retire xmms before F20 is branched as it is causing issues with the removal of some other obsolete packages and it has no upstream support. If anyone has objections to this please speak up soon. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 21:21:41 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: If the esound or pulseaudio plugins are problematic, let us retire them. I don't think xmms will be used by other people than us fanboys, and I feel that we are fine with the ALSA output. Anyhow it looks like

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 00:26:28 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? Both Debian and Gentoo killed it years ago... And I though those were the conservative distributions... I wanted to keep it in Fedora a little bit longer since I have

Re: Another unannounced soname bump: libseccomp

2013-02-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 13:47:44 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: - Setup a process to look for these and do the bump/rebuild. It would need some smarts to make sure that it didn't do this every single day when it fails, etc. Possibly it could check for it's changelog and if it

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-02-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 01:25:09 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: community. Do you really want to head down this road with me? Go ahead big man make my day! This is not appropriate behavior for a Fedora contributor. -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd features

2013-01-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:51:45 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: I would be tempted to say: Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing else for now until we have a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 23:15:55 +0100, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 2013-01-29, 22:52 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote: I am delighted to announce you that Red Hat has a policy of not tolerating drugs on the work place. So you should be utterly relieved to know that no people posting here

Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-01-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
enet -- Thin, simple and robust network layer on top of UDP http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/enet There have been a few upstream releases. There are three co-maintainers for this already. @enet co-maintainers Anyone wants to take it ? I'll give fcami first crack since he seems to have

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:10:03 -0500, Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: Nor I wanted it to be - Fight fire with fire! People that start personal attacks on fedora-devel list should be BANNED. People should not fight people behaving badly be emulating their behavior. It is

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Yum Groups as Objects

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 16:52:18 +0100, Kamil Dudka kdu...@redhat.com wrote: I have been always wondering why yum needs a special set of commands to manipulate groups of packages. What would be the downside of using just packages that install no files (a.k.a. meta-packages) instead of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 19:49:59 +0100, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: I've used gnome 2.x, when 3.x came out I had no other option than to (finally) switch to tiling since my beloved DE was gone and not going back. Other options I've tried (XFCE was some of them) had either some child

Re: Help figure out the debug slowness

2013-01-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:12:17 +0100, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: kernel-3.8.0-0.rc4.git5.1.fc19.x86_64 is significantly slower than the previous release for all graphical activities. One note that came up in the last meeting is that you can turn off slub debugging at

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 20:27:55 -0700, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Doing more than one asks in certain situations sounds bad, but how about: fn: fedpkg build --and-newer Does: fedpkg build loop: fedpkg switch-branch fn+1 (or master) git merge fn git push fedpkg build goto

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Orphaning my packages

2013-01-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 18:15:55 +0100, Mario Blättermann mario.blaetterm...@gmail.com wrote: sudoku-savant -- Solve and generate sudoku puzzles through logical means That one hasn't been orphaned in the package database yet. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: rawhide report: 20130125 changes

2013-01-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 23:36:53 +0900, Mamoru TASAKA mtas...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I fixed harfbuzz build. harfbuzz-0.9.12-3.fc19 got built successfully, which should appear on F-19 buildroot soon. Thanks. wfut has now been rebuilt. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 14:22:44 -0500, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: My point is that it'd be nice to improve the upgrades. I love upgrades---I love the shiny new toys and I hate them for the disruption they always bring, at someone else's schedule. As you say, there

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06:21 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: It definitely depends on package. I should be the one who knows about my packages the best if there is some breaking potential. Every time you don't do an update in rawhide and rely on inheritence, the changes

Re: Remove retired packages

2013-01-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 14:18:25 +0100, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:13:09 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: It has been suggested, discussed and rejected many years ago. Here's one thread from 2007,

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 09:55:07 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: So, I've been collecting ideas on how to improve things in rawhide and have made a wiki page for these ideas. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Rawhide_improvement_project_2013 Would the rawhide tracker bug be for

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:01:50 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: yep. This is one reason I would prefer to just drop the inheritance. How would that work at branch? Would we always do a mass rebuild at branch? Would we use a special tag of packages at branch and inherit them,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
If this method will be tested by FedoraQA, then I believe this upgrade method can be safely recommended to user. The feature owners of this need to do the testing and prodding, not QA. The way this feature is written, it seems to imply that QA is supposed to implement this feature. Note

Re: drop inheritance at f19 branch point?

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:38:30 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Oh, yeah, let's make it even more work to update a package. Because we have so much free time, let's let humans do what computers could do better. What if there were was an automated process that did the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 22:47:18 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: b) We QA have alot of QA community members testing this so this does NOT require any additional effort or cause additional LOAD on the QA community. Aren't they just testing an upgrade of the default

Re: Heads-up: cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 with libsasl2 soname bump

2013-01-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 15:19:18 +0100, Petr Lautrbach plaut...@redhat.com wrote: It's my understanding that there will be mass rebuild soon so I wouldn't rebuild all of them manually, but I would wait for this rebuild. Comments? Suggestions? The rebuild will likely be in a side tag and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Package Signature Checking During Installation

2013-01-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 23:43:07 +0100, Björn Persson bjorn@rombobjörn.se wrote: And since people don't check the certificate anyway it would be better if Firefox would silently switch to plain HTTP when it can't verify the certificate? Not just use the unverified certificate but skip all the

Re: Heads-up: cyrus-sasl-2.1.26 with libsasl2 soname bump

2013-01-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 16:13:49 +0100, Petr Lautrbach plaut...@redhat.com wrote: The rebuild will likely be in a side tag and things won't be fixed until the rebuild is complete. It may be better to do the manual rebuild for the affected packages. At first I'd planned to do it manually

Re: Why do we have a kernel with version number - 20X?

2013-01-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 14:13:23 -0500, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 01/19/2013 05:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote The hundreds series is speific to the fedora version. Currently f17 is 1xx and f18 is 2xx. The purpose is to keep f18 versions ahead of f17 versions so

Re: 'Nice to have' process is now 'Freeze exception' process, improvements to blocker / freeze exception tracker aliases

2013-01-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 19:30:25 -0800, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: There was a very solid consensus that the old scheme sucked and the final form of the new proposal was miles better, and this is not the first time the topic has come up (there are various proposals in the list

Re: FUDCon ARM related followup

2013-01-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 23:56:49 -0500, Jonathan Masters j...@redhat.com wrote: We had a number of conversations about how to involve more people in Fedora on ARM. We also had many other conversations that are being minuted on the wiki, with more notes and links to follow. Now is a great

Out of date (behind stable) build in testing

2013-01-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
hedgewars-0.9.18-1 is still in updates-testing despite it also being in the release and 0.9.18-3 being in updates. Is there a way I can get rid of the version in updates-testing? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Out of date (behind stable) build in testing

2013-01-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:30:19 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: I'll untag it manually. If I had manually untagged it, would that have done the trick? I wasn't sure if that was all that was needed or if there was more too it? (I seemed to remember that testing tags could be

Re: rawhide report: 20121226 changes

2013-01-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 12:08:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Hm, wondering why there are not automatically filled bugs about broken dependencies. Wouldn't it be easier for tracking such issues? The owners get warning messages every compose. That helps with notification.

Re: pulseaudio maintainership status

2012-12-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:13:30 +, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: The term If is the problem. How many people are using rawhide, I know I am but not really with sound, I'm not against it but I also don't see the point in upgrading just for the sake of it. I'm using rawhide

Re: rawhide report: 20121226 changes

2012-12-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 15:49:33 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: [mygui] mygui-3.2.0-1.fc19.i686 requires libCommon.so mygui-3.2.0-1.fc19.x86_64 requires libCommon.so()(64bit) mygui-demos-3.2.0-1.fc19.x86_64 requires libCommon.so()(64bit) mygui-tools-3.2.0-1.fc19.x86_64 requires

Re: PSA: updates-testing default disabled now

2012-12-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:16:28 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: I for one find it annoying having to fiddle with the repo files every few months to make sure testing stays enabled (which I and likely others often forgot, which is not what Fedora wants). Yeah, it's just a

Re: spin-kickstarts package comaintainer

2012-12-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 16:14:10 +0100, Casper fan...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hello, I would like comaintain spin-kickstarts package with actual comaintainers just to update the package more regulary. kanarip is currently the only one with approve ACLs on that package. Note that you need to

Re: PSA: updates-testing default disabled now

2012-12-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 18:28:42 +, Nelson Marques nmo.marq...@gmail.com wrote: Question: Does this affect mock builds on koji ? I don't think so. koji builds only use what's in stable and explicit overrides. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: fltk

2012-12-19 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 17:22:05 +0200, Susi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 01:12:38 +1000 I'm guessing your build from source is a static one. The shared library in Fedora is already linked to all of the above libraries, so if one only uses fltk then one

Re: OCaml 4.00.1 for Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 16:36:05 +0100, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: As discussed, this list isn't quite correct, but it's the best I've got at the moment. We need to rebuild kdeedu too, it links statically against ocaml-facile. (And ocaml-facile

Re: rawhide report: 20121214 changes

2012-12-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:13:29 +, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: The selinux-policy appears to not be built in F19 at all, but relies on inheritance from F18 (I'm assuming?). In any case, the same requires line in libguestfs in Rawhide is correct. Whether or not the

Re: rawhide report: 20121214 changes

2012-12-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 18:26:23 +, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I find it easy enough to primarily work in master, and do: cd ../f18 git pull ../master to pull the changes into f18 (I'm using 'fedpkg clone -B'). How is that different than git merge master? I usually

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

2012-12-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:29:52 -0500, Martin Preisler mprei...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I want to push Ogre 1.8.1 into rawhide next week. This will most likely break some packages but we have a lots and lots of time to fix it all up in rawhide. The changes in Ogre API aren't extensive enough

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:29:52 -0500, Martin Preisler mprei...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I want to push Ogre 1.8.1 into rawhide next week. This will most likely break some packages but we have a lots and lots of time to fix it all up in rawhide. The changes in Ogre API aren't extensive enough

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 09:18:46 -0600, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I was looking at the cmake code for building OGRE.pc and I am thinking that when built using boost threading, -lboost_system-mt should get added as well as -lpthread. Doing this will get mygui to build (which I

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012-12-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 08:12:24 -0800, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: Not really! We are already a customer of RHEL. Money is not the problem. We want our users to use the latest software out there but we also want to reduce the upgrade cycle. You CANNOT disturb every developer in a

Re: Yum Package Remove Order

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:52:06 +0200, Panu Matilainen pmati...@laiskiainen.org wrote: The ancient rpm on CentOS 5 doesn't know how to order erasures, no amount of fiddling with dependencies can cure that. This also has little to do with Fedora development... In a thread that wandered

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121204 changes

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:07:15 -0500, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 12/04/2012 08:38 AM, Fedora Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Tue Dec 4 09:15:31 UTC 2012 VICTORY! NO BROKEN DEPS in Fedora 18! Thanks for your work with this. You inspired me to try to fix up

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121204 changes

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:44:11 -0500, Tom Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 12/04/2012 10:21 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: P.S. There is still some texlive brokenness in F18. If you have the latest texlive stuff installed and try to install db-latex it pulls in some old texlive stuff

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

2012-12-04 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:29:52 -0500, Martin Preisler mprei...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I want to push Ogre 1.8.1 into rawhide next week. This will most likely break some packages but we have a lots and lots of time to fix it all up in rawhide. The changes in Ogre API aren't extensive enough

Re: selinux-policy-3.11.1-57 and 3.11.1-58 breaking access to 'storage' drives

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:58:23 -0500, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/01/2012 12:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Just a heads-up - several reporters (including me) have noticed that they can't access 'storage' drives in their

Re: rawhide buildroot broken: octave packages?

2012-12-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 13:08:13 +1100, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I recently packaged octave-odepkg[1] reviewed and approved for fedora. I've been able to build it for both f18 and f17, but the rawhide builds keep failing because of what looks like a broken dep

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