Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:51:01 +0200, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: Of course, the issue might be very minor, but in that case it is not a judgement call based on how intrusive thec changes are but judgement call on whether the pros and cons of doing the update are significantly in

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: In case of a security issue a random note somewhere don't do that is not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here. You are leaving users at risk by assuming that they will read that notice (note: most wont). I

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: So, that would be, BAD: - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around) - Changing names of commands for command line. - Changing behavior of command line options (ie, --foo does something

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:05:23 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: ok. I Changed 'Beta' mentions in the Pre Beta section to Alpha or Beta releases. Does that work? That looks fine now. Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:56:07 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Might be true but a random notice on some website / mailinglist / $whatever is NOT a fix. period. If one decided to use a notification to mitigate a security issue, one would put the notice where the affected people

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:01:49 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Right. Also, added to that is: Are the bug fixes worth shipping to millions of people? ie, do they fix bugs that Fedora users would/have encountered. That's another gray area without much guidance currently. I

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 19:33:22 +, Michel Alexandre Salim fed...@michelsylvain.info wrote: But branched releases stabilize sometime before the beta point is reached, which triggered off this huge discussion in the first place, because Postgresql 9.0 came out too late for inclusion.

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:45:03 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel w/ Rawhide are not valid options. Rawhide is rawhide - development of Fedora, not for production use. Period. You can't jazz it up no matter how hard you try

Re: Fedora backports repo?

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 22:38:21 +0200, Benny Amorsen benny+use...@amorsen.dk wrote: I don't know about many, but there is at least one organisation which runs production databases on Postgres on Fedora. People keep saying that Fedora isn't for servers, but I just don't see why not.

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy draft page: Do you want feedback on the mailing list or the Talk page pn the wiki? -- devel mailing list

Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?

2010-09-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:00:46 -0400, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Michel Alexandre Salim fed...@michelsylvain.info writes: Note: I don't think Mark was proposing to do the packaging work himself.  But it'd be

Re: calculus of PT_NOTE for GNU/Linux 2.6.32

2010-09-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:41:31 -0700, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: Executable program files built by gcc+glibc on Fedora 14 contain a PT_NOTE which says for GNU/Linux 2.6.32. (For example, see file /bin/date; the presence of a NOTE is indicated by readelf --segments /bin/date,

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:51:03 +0200, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: Setting up official backport repo will avoid repos fragmentation. Keeping all cool updates in one place appears to be a reasonable idea. Am I right? If we had infinite manpower this might be doable on

Re: FYI: rawhide now requires systemd to boot by default

2010-09-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 23:56:54 +0200, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What are the current plans for SystemD in F14? Systemd is still listed as F14 feature. Will it be developed in F14 or in external repo as Rahul Sundaram suggested? From what I have seen discussed,

Re: nightly compose not bootable?

2010-09-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:17:19 -0700, Carl Byington c...@five-ten-sg.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 desktop-i386-20100916.15.iso fails to boot from cd on dell dimension 2350. Does it work for other folks? Do you have some more symptoms you can tell us? I did a

Re: nightly compose not bootable?

2010-09-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 13:23:27 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:17:19 -0700, Carl Byington c...@five-ten-sg.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 desktop-i386-20100916.15.iso fails to boot from cd on dell dimension 2350

Dependency advice for /sbin/extlinux ?

2010-09-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
syslinux recently split out a a subpackage syslinux-extlinux. livecd-tools uses /sbin/extlinux in livecd-iso-to-disk. My questiomn is it better to use requires on syslinux for F13 (and maybe F12) and syslinux-extlinux going forward or should I require /sbin/extlinux allowing the same spec file to

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 18:48:03 +0200, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: Latest design decisions for package management tools include to sign and verify packages before they are installed. Rawhide RPMs are afaik not signed, therefore using it for any non testing system that might

Re: Dependency advice for /sbin/extlinux ?

2010-09-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 18:52:41 +0200, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:07:05 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: My questiomn is it better to use requires on syslinux for F13 (and maybe F12) and syslinux-extlinux going forward or should I require /sbin/extlinux

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:27:07 +0100, M A Young m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk wrote: I agree. I was worried when systemd appeared in F14 just before the alpha. Really we should have been much closer to where we are now at the start of the alpha phase, and systemd should have gone in soon after

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01:04 +0200, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: File a ticket with FESCo. We should have *all* packages go trough updates-testing, regardless of who's the maintainer or

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:09:58 -0400, John W. Linville linvi...@redhat.com wrote: AIUI, they main technical reason that they were finally willing to open-up was that they were able to add some regulatory enforcement code in their firmware. The added firmware functionality required more

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:20:30 -0700, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: And we are already reviewing and accepting features for Fedora 15. The process never stops. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy Thanks for the reminder; I'll put LZMA back in for F15 and hope

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:11:03 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't work ... someone has to be activly pushing the patches upstream .. instead of just waiting and hoping that they magically make it in. It's somewhere on Lougher's to do list. We can still be ready to take

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:20:22 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: I said _someone_ not _you_ ;) ... if Lougher is working on it fine. It's on his to do list, which isn't really the same thing. Lately he has been doing more getting the extended attributes feature cleaned up and a bit

Re: ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:03 +0200, Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote: heyyas, ogre3d, one of the most important 3d engines we have in fedora is already lagging behind over half a year in rawhide: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576286 would be nice to see it finally

Re: ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 08:21:33 -0500, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it would have been too late for Fedora 14. It isn't a core package that needs to be available in a spin, afaik... It wasn't when I was going to try to work on it, but I got swamped with Spins

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 21:26:41 -0400, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hmm. Here's a couple ideas I could think of: - If you don't place a vote by $DATE, your vote will be assumed to be $POSITION can be scarily motivating. - Nag emails sent out by trac daily until you

Re: rawhide report: 20100912 changes

2010-09-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 20:06:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: livecd-tools-034-1.fc15 --- * Sat Sep 11 2010 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to - 034-1 [snipped] Thanks for working on this. I was getting worried that this tool wouldn't be taken

Re: F14 youtube support?

2010-09-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 17:26:28 +0200, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/2 Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com: It could be an SELinux problem.  Look for AVC messages. No AVC's releated to flash-plugin. I disabled SELinux and it still doesn't work - so it's not a security

Re: Putting cross compilers into Fedora

2010-09-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 11:41:34 +0100, David Howells dhowe...@redhat.com wrote: Would it be worth our while putting into Fedora basic gcc and binutils rpms for cross compilers for all the Linux arches? I keep finding the need to compile kernels for arches other than the x86_64 boxes I

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 00:45:49 -0400, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: So far the only brokeness I have had in all of F13 is with `seabios-bin`. Wasn't there recently a packagekit problem where it stopped doing updates, making it kind of hard to get a fix unless you knew about yum?

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 08:40:29 -0800, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a package maintainer for one such application. I have yet to hear from a single user...ever..that tracking releases from upstream has been unwanted for this specific application regardless of the UI tweaks

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. Nor for Mozilla to track its users. There shouldn't be a start page

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:46:53 -0400, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: The update page is remote. If you want to disable it, set startup.homepage_override_url to the empty string. There is also startup.homepage_welcome_url for the first run of the browser. Thanks! -- devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 21:56:17 +0200, Sven Lankes s...@lank.es wrote: Also - and this is a question that I have asked myself and others a couple of times - if you could implement Fedora the way you want: What unique selling points are left for Fedora? Fedora is Ubuntu with rpm sounds

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 05:46:31 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Times change and people with it and I'm willing to put money were my mouth is. So let's separate the infrastructure to a neutral ground, let's find a good place to host the community on. I don't have

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:16:12 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: It's not far from reality that Red Hat will get bought by a company like Oracle so what's preventing us to get the same treatment as OpenSolaris got? What happens to all the work the community has

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 17:43:35 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunate this has the side effect off taking side of one part of the community over the other ( and the problem that comes with that ) and usually people that are asked in cases like these are not

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42:15 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: This is utter bullshit. It assumes that anybody who works in the corporate world and happens to have an interest in Fedora is somehow going to be a puppet for the Smokey backroom corporate overlords and

Re: fedora mission

2010-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 16:14:42 -0400, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: How are you defining which things are sponsored and paid for? If it's whatever things Red Hat chooses to pay for, then the answer to how much RH pays for is 100% by definition. If it's all of the things Red Hat

Re: systemd v8 for rawhide?

2010-08-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:10:35 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: - -updates. A potential way to fix this is to have bodhi not /move/ the build from dist-f14-updates-candidate into -testing or -updates, but instead just add -testing or -updates as a secondary tag to the build.

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:05:11 +0200, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I know I am repeating myself: everything's wonderful. Maybe now, but the landing close to alpha made it harder to do some other testing needed before the alpha. (Though the fallout from Python and Boost

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:30:22 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Being 2 months old isn't a problem in itself ... bugs on the other hand might be if they can't be fixed in time (this does not include already fixed ones). It is already too late. The bugs impacted alpha testing and

Release bumps scripts caution

2010-08-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
Release bump scripts bumping release version numbers for prereleases should be handled more carefully or they can cause update problems later on. For example xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.13.1-0.20100705git37b348059.fc14 got bumped to xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.13.1-1.20100705git37b348059.fc14 and then later

Re: Release bumps scripts caution

2010-08-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:04:33 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: This likely happened because the original release string was non-conformant. I missed that. After that happened it looks like the release string did get changed to be conformant. -- devel mailing list

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 15:48:14 -0700, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Meanwhile, back in the real world, it is effectively impossible to use all sorts of useful websites without Javascript enabled. Even for Then don't use them. If sites don't get used they may stop requiring

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 17:08:27 -0700, J. Randall Owens jrowens.fed...@ghiapet.net wrote: Maybe you should file a bug against Javascript in Firefox? Oh, wait, bugzilla uses Javascript, doesn't it? Scratch that, no bugzilla for the purists. I don't use it with javascript enabled.

Re: spin development: how to trust an iso built outside the fedora build sys

2010-08-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 19:02:36 +1000, David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au wrote: I was wondering if there is any process that we (spin developers - music list) could use to confirm that a spin iso was 1. built with a particular kickstart file (or list of files when there is kickstart

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 16:44:29 -0700, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 01:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Some web sites are indeed abusing JavaScript. A web site is not and should not be an application, an application is not and should not be a web

Re: Mailing list guidelines and smartphones

2010-08-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 00:32:46 +0200, Sven Lankes s...@lank.es wrote: Smartphones seem to be changing this and the number of full-quote, top-post emails is increasing steadily. I prefer that if it's too hard to intersperse text, that all of the old message be removed. The signatures that

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 16:54:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Why don't you give the kernel maintainers the same courtesy? Because LZMA SquashFS is a feature which affects the live images, and almost exclusively the live images, and as such the

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 22:22:18 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: How do you suggest we be more conservative? If you expect the developers to do this on their own, good luck. If you want there to be some sort of enforcement I welcome suggestions. My suggestion would be to

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:49:42 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca wrote: Since the move to git, would it not be easier to allow features to branch rawhide, get their individual bits together (syncing with 'trunk' periodically)... Then like the kernel does, merge back the

Re: Engineering Services - Help Wanted!

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:04:22 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Do you like fixing things but don't care what? Are you a jack of all trades sort of person? We need your help! Hey Mike, I know you're a cool guy and would be interested in

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 18:20:29 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: I really think the benefits and costs need to be looked at on a case by case basis and the package maintainers should be the ones making the call. The problem is, the kernel

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 19:07:57 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: Most features are fairly independent and don't cause problems when they run late or have problems, outside of that feature. Some are somewhat disruptive and can make it hard to test

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:27:05 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: Problem is not an image (we will provide it in the future, forever), the issue is size constraint - software grows faster and faster, we have more dependencies etc. - means less software on LiveCD... I

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 14:50:38 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote: One thing I am curious about is why, when slipping for an Alpha target, the whole schedule slips. Can't we just take a week out of the Beta cycle? The amount of testing time is roughly the same.

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:19:29 -0500, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more than half of a full release cycle. Thoughts? One thing I have noticed is people landing big changes (such as python and systemd) that break

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:00:29 -0700, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: We usually catch most initial blockers for any given release at the first TC stage. Bugs we slip for are usually ones identified at that stage that we couldn't fix in time, bugs introduced between TC and RC

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 14:32:21 -0400, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: So users of absent or dysfunctional DDC and/or EDID should be committed to 800x600 or 1024x768 @96DPI until they replace their (quality, antique, still working just fine) displays or learn the cryptic and

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 01:18:29 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: I hope to occasionally push back a little against this. When LZMA squashfs makes it upstream (it looks like it won't happen in time for F14) we will probably gain about 10% on what we

Re: Asterisk 1.8 in Rawhide (F-15)

2010-08-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 18:04:29 +0200, Felix Kaechele fe...@fetzig.org wrote: Furthermore I'd be interested in comaintaining the Asterisk stack, especially also the DAHDI package, as I plan to submit the DAHDI kmods to RPMFusion and it would be easier for me to keep stuff in sync if I had

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:45:13 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger fed...@camperquake.de wrote: Hi. On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:48:22 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote I got some info from McGrath and added it to the wiki. I don't think it's a good idea to save informations that are used to authenticate

Re: fedoraproject.org certificate has expired

2010-07-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:08:02 -0400, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Just in case you thought we weren't having enough infrastructure fun already ... My web browser is complaining that admin.fedoraproject.org is presenting an invalid SSL certificate: it expired July 31, 2010 8:17:52 AM

Re: Testing Fedora? Please enable SELinux if you can

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:51:05 -0400, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: I decided to respond to these emails about Google Applications in a blog entry The link to Drepper's stuff should be: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/selinux-mem.html Your link has a ~ and a trailing space. --

Re: State of the Fedora 14 Alpha Blockers + Meeting summary

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 14:25:46 -0700, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: 617115 :: ON_QA :: livecd-tools :: David Huff :: rawhide live spins showing black screen instead of syslinux boot menu :: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617115 Just in case David sees this, this

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I was unable to find a fingerprint for pkgs.fedoraproject.org. Since the risk is low, I'll start doing work and check it retroactively. I think there should be some comment in the documentation about what the project expects maintainers to do with regard to using it to avoid man in the middle

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 21:07:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I was unable to find a fingerprint for pkgs.fedoraproject.org. Since the risk is low, I'll start doing work and check it retroactively. I think there should be some comment in the documentation about what

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I noticed that the f14 repo from the kernel mirror seems to have only things that are tagged dist-f14 and no inherited stuff. (Note that while there is kitutuki-0.9.9c-1.fc13.i686.rpm, it's tagged both dist-f13 and dist-f14.) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 22:24:59 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I noticed that the f14 repo from the kernel mirror seems to have only things that are tagged dist-f14 and no inherited stuff. (Note that while there is kitutuki-0.9.9c-1.fc13.i686.rpm, it's tagged both dist-f13

Re: Fedora 14 branching and dist-git roll out

2010-07-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 22:39:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Probably related to this I got some broken package dependency warnings emailed to me that seem to be for things that weren't rebuilt for F14. Is it safe to ignore this batch of warnings? I see this got answered

Re: Fedora 14 Alpha Blocker Meeting #3 Friday @ 16:00 UTC

2010-07-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 19:33:46 -0700, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: 615443 :: NEW :: livecd-tools :: David Huff :: booting live images from nightly fails (can't mount root filesystem) :: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615443 --This bug was reported on July 16,

Re: Fedora 14 Alpha Blocker Meeting #3 Friday @ 16:00 UTC

2010-07-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 23:08:13 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:33:46 -0700 John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: 615443 :: NEW :: livecd-tools :: David Huff :: booting live images from nightly fails (can't mount root filesystem) ::

'man' in comps?

2010-07-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
It looks like man is being replaced by man-db in F14 (though the last I checked the package hadn't been dropped yet, just obsoleted). However comps still lists man in the base group. Should this be changed to man-db? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: New QGIS owner

2010-07-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 21:19:05 +0200, Volker Fröhlich volke...@gmx.at wrote: Dear Fedora members! I'm happy to announce myself as the new owner of the QGIS package. Thanks. I wanted to play with that a bit to see if I could use it for RPG maps, but the package does a lot more. -- devel

Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically? (was Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile)

2010-07-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:56:41 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I think this is another problem with pkgdb or Fedora. Why is there a maintainer (owner?) and co-maintainers, rather than just having all co-maintainers be equal? Good point. I

I claimed qgis

2010-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I was looking at qgis for doing roleplaying maps (I am not sure if that will work out) and noticed it was way behind upstream and then when filing a bug, noticed that it was orphaned. I am going to try to get it updated to 1.4 and see how things go. If it works out for roleplaying, I'll be a long

Re: I claimed qgis

2010-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 01:40:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Sorry, but qgis has been orphaned and not updated for more than 3 months, so it needs a rereview as per:

Re: I claimed qgis

2010-07-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:21:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: The added complication is that the criterion is when the package was last touched before being orphaned (and some people say it should be when it was last touched by the maintainer, which is even longer ago

Re: libjpeg-turbo conflicts in rawhide

2010-06-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:10:11 -0500, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: Another wrinkle here is both libjpeg and libjpeg-turbo existing in rawhide/repo. Shouldn't libjpeg get removed now? Doing so should help matters too. If someone looks at that, they might also want to look at

Re: [Fedora-haskell-list] headsup: ghc-6.12.3

2010-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 20:43:26 -0400, Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com wrote: Just to update I finished rebuilding all the ghc packages in dist-f14-ghc over the weekend and they should appear in the next rawhide push. Probably kaya and hedgewars should be rebuilt too. I'll bump

Re: [Fedora-haskell-list] headsup: ghc-6.12.3

2010-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 08:35:39 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 20:43:26 -0400, Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com wrote: Just to update I finished rebuilding all the ghc packages in dist-f14-ghc over the weekend and they should appear in the next

Re: [Fedora-haskell-list] headsup: ghc-6.12.3

2010-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 20:25:19 -0400, Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com wrote: - Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I just suggested the rebuilds as best practice. :) I'll probably be doing one in F14 to get the latest upstream release, once I get a bit of a lull. So there should

Early warning of Ogre, MyGUI and CEGUI updates in rawhide

2010-06-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I am finally starting work on getting Ogre 1.7 into rawhide. I will also bump the related packages MyGUI and CEGUI to the latest version as well. I'll be working on these locally so as not to make people rebuild dependencies multiple times. Barring unexpected problems I should have this ready

Re: Fedora, DNSSEC and GOST (ECC like) algorithms with openssl

2010-06-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:07:05 -0400, Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com wrote: Some references showing there should not be any known IPR issues filed with the IETF that would prevent implementing RFC standards using ECC: DJB has made some public comments on why he doesn't think any patents

Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:07:02 -0400, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: Perhaps they are, and I will look into them. However, my curiosity has been piqued, so I'd still like to know how it's supposed to be done. It seems to me like it should be a somewhat straight forward task, so I am

Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 09:15:09 -0400, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: Hi all, I asked this on buildsys, so this is something of a repost. I'm not sure where to turn at this point, so if this isn't the right list, would anyone be able to point me in the right direction? Probably

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 08:19:24 +0100, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/02/2010 12:09 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: It does work in F-12, the response for the lack of support in F-13 was 'deal with it'.

Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 16:55:26 -0400, Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com wrote: Fixing init scripts and %post is now left in the state maintainer is too busy to fix. In the past I already offered co-maintainership or taking over the package due to my close relationship with upstream. It's a

Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 11:48:02 -0400, Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com wrote: On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Fixing init scripts and %post is now left in the state maintainer is too busy to fix. In the past I already offered co-maintainership or taking over the package due

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 16:43:07 -0400, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings package maintainers, Want to get notification of any breakage in your just-built koji packages? This includes results of rpmlint [1], rpmguard [2] and, if applicable, initscript [3] tests. Good news,

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

2010-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 22:43:25 +0200, Gland Vador glandva...@yahoo.com wrote: On 05.04.2010 14:48, Dan Horák wrote: I was trying to install i686 variant of F-13 to an Alix board (2D13 with Geode LX) and got into troubles. The kernel boots fine, but when it should start initramfs the

Re: tor-lsb -- hey, look, package script, don't complain to _me_. I'm just installing you.

2010-05-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 00:39:14 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: So, clearly, there's some disagreement about what's fixed and what's broken. But printing out a passive-agressive warning to end-users is not the solution. The error message is confusing and very, very

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 23:39:49 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: seth vidal wrote: It appears this subject has been picked up on lwn - so I'm certain there will be a fruitful, productive and constructive discussion there. Hahaha! You gotta be kidding! LWN keeps posting

Re: Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 08:58:04 -0700, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: I'm up for the challenge previously having been told it wasn't possible for release criteria and blocker bugs ;-) And we're still making

Re: Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 09:06:39 -0500, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: I can prep for the test tonight, but it's a pain to do the final test remotely. So that will wait until tomorrow. Email me as soon as you want this done, and I'll do it ASAP. Two people have confirmed that a

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