Re: Let's retire original glib and gtk+

2021-06-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 11:55, Tom Callaway wrote: > > FWIW, I have retired xmms. Upstream is long gone, and it was being held > together by spider-webs anyways. Is there any copr where this is somewhat maintained? gtk+ was the best gtk (yeah just because of xmms), it's sad to see it go.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:55, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > > I came here with peace. Let's face it. It's always between the two. I > > respect vim and I learned quite some things in vim. But I'm an emacs > > user and I find the original decision between vim and emacs for 'git > > commit' unfair. > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:40, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > Obeying EDITOR is required by POSIX e.g. see > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/crontab.html#tag_20_25_08 > > Note that POSIX says "The default editor shall be vi." But that means > when EDITOR isn't set. If the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 04:16, Samuel Sieb wrote: > If you're going to say that you have to use vim for it to be unix, > you're going to start another war with the emacs users. :-) I came here with peace. Let's face it. It's always between the two. I respect vim and I learned quite some things in

Re: Unannounced SONAME bump: libfluidsynth.so.1 -> libfluidsynth.so.2

2020-02-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 16:49, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > The update to fluidsynth 2.1.0 from a few days ago bumped the SONAME > of the library as mentioned in $SUBJECT (maintainer in CC). > The email title is somewhat misleading. This was mentioned in this list a few days back.

Re: Koji build gets consistently stuck

2020-02-18 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:40, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, I'd say try and duplicate it in a i686 mock chroot on a x86_64 > machine and see if you can gather enough info for a c++ or qt5 bug. > > Hope that helps. Thanks Kevin, Strangely, as I was attempting to try out what you suggested I got a

Koji build gets consistently stuck

2020-02-18 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
In an effort to update the fluidsynth library version, which comes with a soname bump, in rawhide (F33) I created a side tag f33-build-side-19396. All but one dependent packages are rebuilt. The last dependent is the muse package. I tried to rebuild muse in the side tag three times. In all of the

Re: Ideas for better development processes when maintaining hundreds of packages

2020-01-30 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 04:04, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > * kill the %changelog > > Please, let's kill it, and generate it from the git changelog. > I'm glad to see there's a proposal to do this. > As again... Very strong no. git changelog and spec changelog have different purposes. For some

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 05:50, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 05. 11. 19 v 16:03 Ben Cotton napsal(a): > > When we compile the python3 package on Fedora (prior to this change), > > we create the libpython3.?.so shared library and the final python3 > > binary (/usr/bin/python3) is dynamically linked

Re: Orphaned packages need new maintainers (will be retired in 3 weeks)

2019-05-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 13:42, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for > sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper > reason: > > Orphaned

Re: Orphaned packages to be retired (Java packages in 3 weeks)

2019-03-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 06:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > You can build Java apps as modules, yes. > If we remove the mentioned packages from rawhide, it will be the only way to > build Java packages. How are the Java applications that come with C (JNI) extensions handled in the modules model? How do

Re: /etc/yum.repos.d -> /etc/distro.repos.d

2019-03-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 08:51, Kalev Lember wrote: > > Also, I've heard rumours that dnf might get renamed back to yum in the > future. > I just hope that dnf gets renamed to something easier. It doesn't stick as good as yum, apt or pacman. Anything other than yum will be a lot of work though.

Re: Fedora 30 Self-Contained Change Proposal: Enabling Python Generators by default

2018-12-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 19:37, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnablingPythonGeneratorsByDefault > > = Enabling Python Generators by default = No objection on the change. Yet the "Generators" have a well established meaning in Python, which is very different than this

Re: Attention Gmail users, please turn off HTML mail

2018-10-02 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 07:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:01 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > > > > I'm sending you this HTML email because Google dropped possibility to > > > send plaintext emails. Sorry =( > > > > Gmail > > -> compose > > -> options (bottom right) > > -> plain

Re: Orphaning clementine

2018-09-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
n Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 13:42, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > On mercredi 5 septembre 2018 13:05:06 CEST Jan Grulich wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time > > looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given > > upstream

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Move /usr/bin/python into a separate package

2018-05-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 23 May 2018 at 11:30, Brian C. Lane wrote: > as a user of python what do you expect > /usr/bin/pythong to do? You expect it to run the python2 interpreter. Careful with the generalization. I expect /usr/bin/python to launch python3 and I get surprised with each Fedora release why it still

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 February 2018 at 11:37, Björn Persson wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fed...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Shouldn't we consider having -devel packages Require gcc or gcc-c++? >> What good is a header package without a compiler anyway? >> This would also (indirectly) pull i

Re: Re: Re: Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 February 2018 at 10:03, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le 2018-02-28 15:28, Orcan Ogetbil a écrit : >> >> On 28 February 2018 at 09:19, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > >> These are all _very_ edge use-cases. > > > Those are *not* edge-cases. We have a few thousan

Re: Re: Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 February 2018 at 09:19, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > My point was *non-C-compilers* can read *C/C++* header files because they > need to read the ABI definitions to use it from their non C/C++ code. > > That makes a C/C++ header file consumable by pretty much any kind of > compiler, so it's

Re: Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 February 2018 at 05:28, Rafal Luzynski wrote: > 28.02.2018 09:33 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le mercredi 28 février 2018 à 00:11 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil a écrit : >> > >> > Shouldn't we consider having -devel packages Require gcc or gcc-c++? >>

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-27 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 18 February 2018 at 12:09, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Over this weekend I've performed scratch-mass-rebuild without having gcc and > gcc-c++ in buildroot of all Fedora packages, many of which failed due to > random > reasons and I grepped all logs for some common errors found by analyzing >

Re: [HEADS UP] Replacing %post/%postun -p /sbin/ldconfig

2018-02-25 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
2018-02-14 15:59 GMT-05:00 Igor Gnatenko : > > Your options: > > * Speak up and tell package names I should not touch because … (you should > complete this sentence). > * Fix up packages and tell package names I should not touch because you did > that already. > * Tell package names you want to

Re: ABI gate: internal-only shared object

2018-01-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 22 January 2018 at 22:12, Scott Talbert wrote: > Yep, bodhi is definitely blocking things now without any way to override that > I can see. :-( > I've got a similar situation, I was able to push to batched 5 days ago but > just now bodhi sent me an email saying "Bodhi is unable to request

Re: Mass issue: /usr/bin/env dependency

2017-03-30 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 29 March 2017 at 14:26, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > --- > Fedora ships numerous executables written in Python. Many of them contain > the shebang line: #!/usr/bin/env python > > However, this makes it difficult to install alternative versions of Python > on the system. If a user wishes e.g. to

Re: Fedora mass rebuild 2017

2017-02-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 16 February 2017 at 07:02, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > libffado has more of these stupid errors that have affected dozens of > packages because [expletives deleted]: > > src/libieee1394/configrom.cpp: In member function 'bool > ConfigRom::initialize()': > src/libieee1394/configrom.cpp:179:31:

Re: Fedora mass rebuild 2017

2017-02-15 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 15 February 2017 at 09:12, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > A mockchain build of dbus-c++ libffado and sflphone works with this > patch. repoquery says nothing else depends on dbus-c++. > > Any objections to me committing the patch to dbus-c++ and rebuilding it? > > Somebody should also fork dbus-c++

Re: Fedora mass rebuild 2017

2017-02-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 7 February 2017 at 16:32, Marek Polacek wrote: > libffado-2.3.0-1.fc26.src.rpm > sflphone-1.4.1-20.fc26.src.rpm > error: no matching function for call to ... > Invalid code. I am 99% sure that these 2 errors are due to a bug in dbus-c++. Is the new compiler attempting to

Re: Locked memory limits are too low

2016-09-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 20 September 2016 at 03:00, Thomas Daede wrote: > For Fedora Workstation, the current limit on mlock()ed memory per user > is 64kiB, which less than what some applications need. > > In particular, Bitcoin Core uses mlock() to prevent private keys from > being swapped to disk. The total size of

Re: GCC6: failure with -isystem /usr/include

2016-02-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 16 February 2016 at 13:08, Rex Dieter wrote: > So, 2 options (not mutually exclusive): > > * fix configure to not add /usr/include to ac_incpath > * fix src/src.pri.in to comment-out (or remove) the line starting with > INCLUDEPATH += (I don't think it's needed) > Yes, I could use those to

Re: GCC6: failure with -isystem /usr/include

2016-02-15 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 2 February 2016 at 07:54, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > That said, why does it bother to do such a mess? Does it think the g++ > driver is not able to do that itself? > I am not sure why qmake-qt5 doesn't want to trust gcc for the system include dirs, but well.. it doesn't. I reduced the problem

Re: GCC6: failure with -isystem /usr/include

2016-02-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 15 February 2016 at 01:46, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > The new version of qjackctl, which now depends on qt5. We cannot do > the update without fixing this. As far as I can tell, the qjackctl > does not use the QMAKE_DEFAULT_INCDIRS directly. The offending flags > come through

Re: GCC6: failure with -isystem /usr/include

2016-02-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 14 February 2016 at 18:42, Rex Dieter wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > >> The current (as of this email) qt5-qtbase is built with GCC6, but the >> issue persists. >> The builds seem fine with the above QMAKE_DEFAULT_INCDIRS line removed >> manually. Should this is

Re: GCC6: failure with -isystem /usr/include

2016-02-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 2 February 2016 at 07:50, Sandro Mani wrote: > On 02.02.2016 13:38, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 01:32:17PM +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: >> Don't use -isystem /usr/include for C++, unless you also include first all >> the C++ include directories as -isystem too. Why do you need

Re: Note for packages linking against GSL [ACTION NEEDED]

2015-02-24 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 24 February 2015 at 10:25, Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Can you elaborate on this? gsl has plenty of other routines that have nothing to do with linear algebra. Is there a technical reason why you have

Re: Note for packages linking against GSL [ACTION NEEDED]

2015-02-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 21 February 2015 at 18:50, Susi Lehtola wrote: Because libgsl is no longer linked to a CBLAS library, packages linking to GSL need to also link to a CBLAS library, ATLAS probably being the best candidate since OpenBLAS is not available for all Fedora architectures. Can you elaborate on

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 December 2014 at 07:57, Richard Hughes wrote: On 27 December 2014 at 23:17, Reindl Harald wrote: having choices and options is the reason why people switch to Linux, http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ Oh please, no need for provocation... I was silently following this thread but I

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 28 December 2014 at 19:32, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/29/2014 12:58 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: Hm... developers which never touches the terminal?! Seems like a really narrow group (?) Not really. At a previous workplace, we used

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-02 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 2 December 2014 at 10:06, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 22:36 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: One related issue is suspend. It stopped working for me (on the same machine) at around Fedora 12. Just stays on the black screen on resume. 12? Five years ago? Yeah pretty much. I

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-01 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 1 December 2014 at 19:57, john.tiger wrote: Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it stinks on Fedora 20. OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 Chrome OS on Chromebook gets 9-10 Fedora

Re: How many developers Fedora has

2014-11-30 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 30 November 2014 at 05:12, Haïkel wrote: Not all commits are authored by approved packagers (git am), and some packagers have relinquished their membership in FAS (yes, that happened) But more importantly, not all packagers are developers. Hard to figure out which packagers actually do

Vacation page

2014-07-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
We used to have a nice wiki table at [1], but now it points to a calendar application [2] which is a royal mess. I mean... For example, I really don't understand the point of the anonymous entry quote 2014-07-26 to 2014-08-02 00:00:00 to 00:00:00 Vacation /quote Can we revert or improve this

Re: Vacation page

2014-07-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:41:44 -0400 Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Can we revert or improve this mechanism? Absolutely we can impove things. Could you file fedocal ticket(s) with your suggestions? Thanks Kevin, here: https://fedorahosted.org

Re: delta rpms - can we turn them off

2014-06-28 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, sure, we could sign drpms and yum/dnf could check that, but they still need to assemble the final rpm in order to pass it to rpm. The question, to my understanding, which may be wrong, is whether the contents of the assembled rpm need

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:07 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: yes - simply because the chance that soemone wants to uninstall all kernels, yum, dnf and finalyl rpm itself is very low You still did not give a simple case why someone with some sanity

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) Bad example. Even rm has protection for / See rm --help ;) Orcan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Qt packages necessaries to develop for Android

2014-06-10 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Eric Smith wrote: IANAL, but multiple lawyers have told me that it is generally a bad idea to go looking for patents, at least in the US. If they're brought to your attention, you should probably do whatever is necessary to avoid them, but

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:25 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM, drago01 wrote: There is difference between a software developer, a sysadmin and a user that simply wants to share his music with his family. The latter

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-20 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: There is difference between a software developer, a sysadmin and a user that simply wants to share his music with his family. The latter should not have to learn about computer security to do it, Why not? I lock my door every

Re: GCJ [was: pdftk retired?]

2014-03-24 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 03/22/2014 07:51 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 03/19/2014 10:59 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote: And JDK5 might be good enough for the use required. It doesn't claim to be anything more than

Re: GCJ [was: pdftk retired?]

2014-03-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 03/19/2014 10:59 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote: And JDK5 might be good enough for the use required. It doesn't claim to be anything more than that, so I don't see the harm in leaving it there. Speaking as the upstream maintainer, I do. Hi

Re: pdftk retired?

2014-03-07 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: On 03/06/2014 06:41 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 12:03:46PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: pdftk has a hard dependency on GCJ because it's a C++ program that uses a Java library (iText) through CNI. I once tried to

Re: pdftk retired?

2014-03-07 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Sorry I am missing something. Why can't we keep the old pdftk that works with itext2? Check the whole thread - because of GCJ dependency. iText is second issue. The first could be fixed by rewrite of offending part of code to Java but

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: David Sommerseth wrote: So, I wonder if it can be considered to enable a downgrade path for bluez and depending packages, as described in the Contingency Plan: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Bluez5 Officially downgrading BlueZ from

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 21:35 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Right. But is it possible to ship a bluez4 package and rebuild the dependencies against that after the release? How does that differ, in practice? Potentially, - No epoch bump

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: Well, IMHO the docs are actually quite clear on that 'all' refers to all metadata rather than all repositories. That said, perhaps enough people has been confused by this to make some kind of improvement motivated. I am pretty sure if you

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: You can, for example, use C++, which is a stable standard (a new version was published 2 years ago, but almost all C++98 code compiles unchanged as C++11), and Qt, which keeps a stable API and ABI throughout a major version (the interval

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 09:52 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Didn't we have a mass rebuild due to a C++ ABI change 1 or 2 years ago? Standard C++ does not specify an ABI. Compilers get to handle that themselves. Correct (which can

Re: Packaging changes for libev in Rawhide

2013-11-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:30:46 +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: * Move the headers back to /usr/include, as upstream intended * Put the event.h header into a libev-libevent-devel subpackage, and make it Conflicts: libevent-devel (this

orphaning xmmsctrl

2013-11-03 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
I am giving up my maintainership for xmmsctrl, a command line utility to control xmms. I still use xmms a lot, but I don't have a need for xmmsctrl anymore. I was once using it to control xmms from a superkaramba (KDE) widget. It is stable, with dead upstream. Grab it if you are interested.

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: It would be good if the next vote would allow none as an option. I could not vote 'none' on the last election. And I think it is important to track the percentage of people who want to kill

Re: Changes to make MySQL vs. MariaDB less confusing

2013-08-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Bjorn Munch wrote: On 21/08 17.26, Ken Dreyer wrote: Are the Oracle employees still around? Yes we are! Sorry for the long silence. The window for F19 closed so it became less urgent, then I had vacation, was sick, then others here were on vacation but we're

Re: bugzilla.redhat.com vs upstream bug trackers

2013-06-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: I would like to avoid creating accounts in gazillion upstream bug trackers, Aha! Should the package maintainers play the middle man in the gazillion upstream bug tracker accounts? This sounds neither very thoughtful nor quite efficient. so

Re: bugzilla.redhat.com vs upstream bug trackers

2013-06-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Jun 17, 2013 9:04 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/17/2013 01:00 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: I would like to avoid creating accounts in gazillion upstream bug trackers, Aha! Should the package maintainers play the middle man

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: Hi, In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the initial steps of the install I started to setup my root password. To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of bullets. The obvious workaround is to use

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 14:07 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: Hi, In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the initial steps

Re: is it possible to download a spec file only using yum?

2013-02-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM, poma wrote: deco grub2-2.00-16.fc19.src.rpm 13020 blocks [backtrace cut] Aborted -- Hmm, the crash does not happen here. How reproducible is this? Can you debug? Although the extraction is successful, checksums are OK. :) Thanks for pointing out an

Re: is it possible to download a spec file only using yum?

2013-02-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM, poma wrote: Shouldn't the default be an '-a'(anonymous) check out via git? I think it should too. Maybe there are good reasons behind not making so. Meanwhile you can do $ yumdownloader --source pkgname $ deco pkgname*.src.rpm This should get you the package

Re: Mass closing EOL bugs should not close bugs with pending updates

2013-02-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2013, 14:46 +0100 schrieb Tadej Janež: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 12:02 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: I found that a couple of F16 bugs were closed by endoflife@fp.o even though there were pending updates for F17

Re: Mass closing EOL bugs should not close bugs with pending updates

2013-02-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@gmail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2013, 16:12 -0500 schrieb Orcan Ogetbil: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2013, 14:46 +0100 schrieb Tadej Janež: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 12

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-15 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: On 02/14/2013 04:26 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I was still planning on retiring xmms. It has no upstream support. The volume control has issues that I don't have time to figure out. esound can be disabled at build time - please do not

Re: Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-02-15 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:07:22 +0100, Rahul Sundaram On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: MariaDB WILL replace MySQL on upgrades. Well, unless Oracle as upstream wants to get involved as downstream maintainers in

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 02/13/2013 04:26 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? /me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo Have you tried using Audacious ? You can set it to classic mode, at which point it user experience

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-08 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Could we move this to a gnome/desktop list? The subject of the thread has been decided... I don't think it's providing much value to the Fedora devel community anymore. +1. Gnome 2 was counterintuitive enough. I can't imagine how Gnome 3

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about what 'desktop environment' you want? As I said earlier in this thread, and as the Fedora Board

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a simple big green Download button, it starts asking

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: tl'dr: Please leave the straw man new users won't be able to decide argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the

Re: gcc-4.8: error: invalid use of undefined type

2013-02-02 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Julian Sikorski wrote: Hi, I am having issues building mplayer using gcc-4.8. An updated srpm [1] builds fine in mock for fedora-18-x86_64-rpmfusion_free target (when chain-built with ffmpeg-1.1.1), but on fedora-rawhide-x86_64-rpmfusion_free, it fails with

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-29 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:27 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the download button points to something similar to the current More options page, maybe with a small description for

Re: Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-27 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Mario Santagiuliana wrote: In data sabato 26 gennaio 2013 23:55:34, Orcan Ogetbil ha scritto: But if I have a .tex file that needs 40 such requirements, I have to go through the above fix 40 times. Isn't there a way to launch yum to install all the requirements

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-27 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 01/27/2013 12:35 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: My question is more about the basic usage of latex. As a latex user, I don't want to call yum 40 times just to compile my .tex file. I think you're misunderstanding. This is only

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Jindrich Novy wrote: Example pdflatex error in log - style missing: ! LaTeX Error: File `upquote.sty' not found. Type X to quit or RETURN to proceed, or enter new name. (Default extension: sty) solution: # yum install 'tex(upquote.sty)'

Re: Problem with jack update

2012-11-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 15 November 2012 23:20, Ian Malone wrote: On 15 November 2012 04:40, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Hi all, A few months ago earlier in the F-17 release cycle, we had a problem with jackd turning verbose, flooding the stdout, even when its

Re: itext 5.x

2012-11-09 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jerry James wrote: Does anybody know if there are licensing issues with itext 5.x? I'd like to package some software that needs a fairly recent version of itext, but I know we've had license issues with that package in the past. Also, FWIW, bouncycastle

Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates

2012-09-25 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Caterpillar wrote: Il 23/09/2012 17:06, Kevin Kofler ha scritto: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012-14137 update I strongly agree with Kevin How easy/involved will it be to make bugzilla transform bodhi's message into an URL that, when

Orphaned packages

2012-08-30 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
Due to lack of time, I am dropping my maintainership for the following: - bouncycastle, bouncycastle-mail, bouncycastle-tsp: New version available, but not API compatible with the itext version (2.1.7) we have. I have an almost complete patch for itext-2.1.7 for the API changes for those who are

Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 18 Complete

2012-07-22 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Please fix any packages you maintain that failed to rebuild. These are fixed: - hydrogen - lash This one did not have any problems. Just a plain rebuild fixed it: - clementine This one seems like a bug in doxygen, rather than a bug in the

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-18 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Package hexter-dssi (orphan) comaintained by: oget I picked the above. I always thought it was mine, and got surprised to see it orphaned. Best, Orcan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-11 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: On 07/10/2012 03:20 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 16:55 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Removing: raptor flickcurl requires libraptor.so.1 flickcurl requires

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 18

2012-07-09 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 16:55 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Removing: raptor flickcurl requires libraptor.so.1 flickcurl requires raptor-devel = 1.4.21-11.fc17 flickcurl-devel requires raptor-devel = 1.4.21-11.fc17

Re: double tab

2012-06-21 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Before F-17 I had become accustomed to using the double tab to get a list of the commands; perhaps you set it bu default at least in the release on the website. This time I upgraded through the link in the mail. Perhaps I asked this

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-15 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Eric Smith wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: The point in which you find yourself arguing over the semantics of Goodwin's law is also a clear indication that the thread has lost any amount of usefulness. Godwin's Meta-Law?  Or maybe Keating's Corollary to

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-14 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 04:19 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 10:25 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I am inclined to believe, the spirit behind Linux has changed, changed away from being

Re: multilib conflict with doxygen generated pdf

2012-06-13 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Xavier Bachelot wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any pointer on how to fix a multilib conflict with a doxygen generated pdf file ? I was able to fix the same multilib issue with the html files by modifying the footer to not include the timestamp, but I don't find

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote: On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of Fedora users will still be able

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Peter Jones wrote: On 06/12/2012 08:10 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Due to my respect to your request, I thought about it for nearly 72 hours. I still stand behind what I said: People who are incapable of switching a BIOS setting, which might involve doing

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-09 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Chris Smart wrote: On 09/06/12 19:34, drago01 wrote: If Fedora does not implement some form of Secure Boot support, 100% of Fedora users will still be able to install Fedora on new machines, after they disable Secure Boot, if their computer even has it at

Re: Releasing ownership of many audio packages (and a little more)

2012-06-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Jun 5, 2012 12:58 PM, Jon Ciesla limburg...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Anthony Green gr...@redhat.com wrote: Fedora developers, While I brought many of these into Fedora, I have not been an active maintainer for these packages for a very long time. Most of them

Re: Releasing ownership of many audio packages (and a little more)

2012-06-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Anthony Green wrote: Fedora developers, While I brought many of these into Fedora, I have not been an active maintainer for these packages for a very long time.  Most of them have very responsible and active co-maintainers already.  I am about to release

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/03/2012 12:12 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: At the same time I don't want to be obliged to support something I don't want to. There are many more important things to deal with in the distribution than a stupid secure boot feature. Let's

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Orcan Ogetbil wrote: I am more concerned about the package maintenance level. At the package maintenance level, it does not make sense to patch against the upstream decision. It does. If upstream arbitrarily refuses to support a use case we

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