On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.comwrote:
Release parties and codenames were just examples. It's about the buzz
around releases. You can check Google Trends where you find peaks in
number of searches for Fedora after every release. Or fp.org monthly
stats.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
It's a clean installation, I don't think it needs any magic. Also
third-party repos are not a problem, we just ignore them and they
won't influence the new system. People will add them manually again
once in 18 months.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jiri Eischmann jeisc...@redhat.com wrote:
This is a very valid argument. I understand this is a devel list, so we
should stay on the technical level, but if we discuss such broad changes
that affect the whole project, we should also take into account other
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:02 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
..snip...
In my experience, in the last few years, Fedora stable releases have
become much more stable. My stable boxes here at home I have not
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 11:28 +, mike cloaked wrote:
Others may wish to compare Fedora with other distributions also - but
one thought I had was that in Archlinux there are only two repos to
maintain - whilst
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote on 09/18/2012 08:09:33:
From: Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: 09/18/2012 08:10
Subject: Re: Why is
Are any Fedora developers going to be going to the talk by Arjan on
system updates (https://plus.google.com/114657443111661859546/posts/MGuHZdw2L9R)
at the Linux Plumbers Conference?
It should be interesting?
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez
xose.vazq...@gmail.com wrote:
hi,
License is very restrictive.
Please remove them from the distribution.
... and for those with that wireless hardware running Fedora what are
they supposed to use instead if there is no open source
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 18:10 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 15.02.2012 17:59, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On 02/15/2012 05:06 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
On 02/15/2012 05:49 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
It might be a
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
Doesn't matter. The question is whether there is a change in trend. It's
improbable that KDE adoption is increasing in statistically significant
numbers, while at the same time KDE spin downloads remain flat, just
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/
Shows an interesting result in terms of DE popularity - though given
the many discussions not only on Fedora lists but on other lists for
other distros also I am not
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
Interesting poll - of course some will jump on it as a non-scientific
and why it's inadequate because it either is too broad an audience or
too narrow .. :-) Or perhaps with only 600+ participants the std error
may be
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
There seems to have been a recent pattern (last year or so) of pushing
premature pet projects rapidly without broader fedora engagement.
I know this little issue will get sorted out and its still
rawhide/pre-f17.
Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has
been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there
are several that now have a rolling-release model.
Three of these are:
Debian CUT:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/debian-cut-a-new-rolling-release/
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the
potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there
would be huge advantages in management of systems.
Can you list what advantages there
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/01/12 12:22, Thomas Moschny wrote:
2012/1/24 Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com:
How is rawhide not a rolling release? Or perhaps better asked, what
about rawhide makes it
unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/01/12 12:30, mike cloaked wrote:
The number of problems that have been reported to the lists for yum
upgrades seems very large. Although for any rolling release there
have been occasions where unforeseen problems
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
mike cloaked wrote:
Is there any support at all within the development community for a
rolling release version of Fedora (and possibly ulitimately Redhat)?
No. We've had this discussion many times. It just doesn't
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
Moving any large change has challenges - whether periodic or rolling.
In that sense, they are no different - both can be a PITA.
However, in a rolling model you have the advantage of it being the
-only- change you
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote:
A question please? Two related ones actually.
What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we
expect to see it?
:-) notice this.
Of course the decision about a name would be a really huge discussion!
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/01/12 20:52, David wrote:
A question please? Two related ones actually.
What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we
expect to see it?
:-) notice this.
Rooling rooling rooling
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/01/12 21:08, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I don't think it makes sense for an individual to drive this forward
without
any sort of consensus.
Kevin Kofler
I disagree, in a manner.
Not necessarily drive
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 09:52 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
I think the error here is less in the coding in packages than in the
design of the default system specifications, specifically the package
selection.
The errors
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:32:28PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In my opinion, a search tool and indexer, even if it brands itself
a powerful desktop-neutral first class object database, has no valid
technical reasons to
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:32:28PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
In my opinion, a search tool and indexer, even if it brands itself
a powerful
Having now used F16 in earnest on a freshly installed laptop I would
like to add my thanks to developers for making Verne a superb release.
I have had almost no issues during install apart from a couple of
minor ones, and once the update from updates-testing is installed to
bring KDE to version
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
There are various 'hot topics' exposed during the F16 cycle that we'll
likely expand the matrix to cover better in F17 - bootloader location
issues, EFI issues, USB installer issues (when we first drew up the
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
See, the problem we solved in RC5 only came when you wrote the installer
to USB with l-i-t-d *and then used it to upgrade an F15 system*. The
problem was that anaconda doesn't filter out the USB key it's installing
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
I decided to try another tack this evening on my test machine which
was running F15 - I placed the F16 install iso on a partition which
would not be touched - and loop mounted it - then pulled vmlinuz and
initrd.img
I saw in the last two weeks in a post by Larry Finger that finally the
Realtek r8712u driver has been released for inclusion in the kernel.
http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/30/4612930
Is it possible/likely that this may get included in a 3.1 kernel or
later for f16 any time
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote:
Some daemons cannot be fixed, get over with this mantra that daemons
need be fixed Lennart.
If I were a betting man I'd wager that all the daemons we
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Peter Hutterer
peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet nathan...@gnat.ca wrote:
Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects
etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into
xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session over VNC. I
want to be
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Denys Vlasenko dvlas...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote:
On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote:
systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion?
I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation. However
what would be really nice is to redirect
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:44 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess that your reference to moving to upstream indicates that
systemd is now sufficiently established that discussion of problems is
an upstream issue for bug triage/fixing? I would imagine that the user
list may
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:14 AM, John Keller fed...@johnkeller.com wrote:
Right now the only options, to my knowledge, are to use the netinst
(hybrid image) or use some special tool/process to convert the DVD ISO
into a bootable USB key. The former can be flaky (as you mention) and
the latter
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
What is confusing about:
Alpha-1, Alpha-2 ... Alpha-N
Beta-1 Beta-2 Beta-N
RC-1, RC-2 ... RC-N
Released.
Why on earth do we need a 'candidate' for a release candidate,
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:41 PM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote:
How do changes to the FHS actually happen ? All I can find is the names
of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems
to be overrun by spam.
There doesn't seem to be any body/group that
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote:
Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other
releases (F14 or below).
When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one
I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top. I
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Kyle McMartin k...@mcmartin.ca wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:58:36PM +, mike cloaked wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before the RTL8192SU driver will be
regarded as stable enough to go into mainstream? This works without
any problems at all for me
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Richard r...@linux-m68k.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:29:44PM +, mike cloaked wrote:
I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi
hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M
Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor
I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi
hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M
Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor) and this is recognised when plugged in:
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU
802.11n WLAN Adapter
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Richard r...@linux-m68k.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:29:44PM +, mike cloaked wrote:
I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi
hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M
Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Good point ... was thinking it was a way to ensure anaconda keeps
pace but you're right ... it should follow the actual changes ...
Do
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Magnus Glantz m...@hacka.net wrote:
For me it's natural that we should care about the end-user experience of
Fedora, even if that does include us caring about application outside of the
Fedora owned repositories.
Just a thought - but for those users who use
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
wayland...when they feel its ready. By introducing it for discussion
before they were ready to engage in that discussion you've actually
made it more difficult for the discussion to move forward as you've
taken away their
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
A small tweak which might make sense...
For volumes that are over 100G in size, enact the 50g / + rest for /home
setup. For anything smaller than 100G in size leave everything in /
That should avoid having anything
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Julian Sikorski beleg...@gmail.com wrote:
W dniu 17.10.2010 23:19, John Poelstra pisze:
Start End Name
Mon 18-Oct Mon 18-Oct Final Change Deadline
Mon 18-Oct Mon 18-Oct Final Blocker Meeting (f14blocker)--Blocks RC
Compose
Mon 18-Oct Mon
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
There was a change in glibc during the F14 development cycle that
requires running a newer kernel in order to run the f14 binaries.
You could probably cheat a new kernel onto F11 and then do the pungi
compose in a mock
For the past year or so I have built private builds of current Fedora
install isos on an old test machine running f11 using mock/pungi, and
this has generally worked well for me. I use this method to get fully
up to date isos for installs that need almost no updates applying for
the current stable
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
There was a change in glibc during the F14 development cycle that
requires running a newer kernel in order to run the f14 binaries.
You could probably cheat a new kernel onto F11 and then do the pungi
compose in a mock
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download
link of that particular iso. The splits in
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not
having one. Is it simply that it saves
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Matthew Miller wrote:
I don't know a single student using Fedora anymore,
I'm a student using Fedora. :-p But not at Harvard. ;-)
I don't know *what* to blame that on
I blame it on people slowly destroying what
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's
always a fight to keep our live images within the size constraints.
Which is fixable by admitting that we lost that fight and move to a
modern medium
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:20:44AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's
always a fight
For the past week or so I have been battling with a problem that I had
thought (after some chasing around) was a Thunderbird upstream
problem. The issue was that selecting Edit-Preferences- General and
allowing selection of a xxx.wav file to play for incoming mail did not
work.
It turned out that
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote:
I'm not a Thunderbird maintainer, so I don't know how feasible this is,
but perhaps we could create a subpackage like
'thunderbird-sound-support' that has the appropriate dependencies on it.
Then at least someone
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:17 AM, John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote:
Yesterday, July 27, 2010, we reached Feature Freeze for Fedora 14
As previously noted, at Feature Freeze it is expected that all features
are *significantly* feature complete and ready for testing:
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
Nathanael Noblet wrote:
#1) Easy way to know where a package came from.
man repoquery
#2 ) Easy way to downgrade if I were to run into problems
yum downgrade packagename
#3) Reminders
bodhi -T
#4) Easy way to
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Julian Sikorski beleg...@gmail.com wrote:
W dniu 27.06.2010 20:21, mike cloaked pisze:
I noticed that there are builds for the above for F11, F12 and now F14
at koji built in the past few days but none for f13. Is there a plan
to do an f13 build?
It's
2010/6/27 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I wonder if it would be a big problem to create regular (for example,
every three months) re-spins of main installation images - cd's and
dvd's for i386 and x86_64 (not livecd's).
Fedoraunity http://fedoraunity.org/re-spins creates such
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:07:02 -0400,
Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
Perhaps they are, and I will look into them. However, my curiosity has
been piqued, so I'd still like to know how it's supposed to be done. It
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 09:15:09 -0400,
Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote:
Hi all,
I asked this on buildsys, so this is something of a repost. I'm not
sure where to turn at this point, so if this isn't the right list,
Has anyone been tinkering with Lightspark in Fedora
(http://www.osnews.com/story/2/Lightspark_Reaches_Beta_Status
and http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/ )
Seems interesting even if there is a way to go yet before it is really usable!
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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 May 2010 21:58, João Neto joao.gsn...@gmail.com wrote:
The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ...
This is a general point I'm making, not just about your email in particular.
There appears to be a
I saw that there is an interesting ultra precise timing code being
developed - to possibly supercede NTP:
http://www.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au/tscclock/
http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1773943
Is this code being developed for Fedora at all? If so would there be
any interest from Fedora (or
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote:
On 04/27/2010 05:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The OP had an issue w. thunderbird - which many find to be a pretty
decent mail client.
This thread has morphed ...
As for Firefox, I'd actually prefer to put fedora effort
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Debarshi Ray debarshi@gmail.com wrote:
Just a reminder that today is 1st April.
indeed - and Google has a lovely one too at
http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Here's a quick recap of last week's Printing Test
Day:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-25_Printing
The turnout was somewhat disappointing: we only had results from about a
half dozen testers. If anyone
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:24 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Here's a quick recap of last week's Printing Test
Day:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-25_Printing
The turnout was somewhat
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Our QA Enforcers will evaluate your email and let you know soon. If you
live, that means it was good enough. ;)
OK I'll be looking over my shoulder until the official word that I'm
in the clear!
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Given http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/37543/info
is there going to be a build of sendmail 8.14.4 for f12 (and f11)
which does not have that vulnerability?
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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada jskar...@redhat.com wrote:
Yes, I will build for f12, f11
regards
Jaroslav
Great - thanks Jaroslav
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In view of http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/38580 is there a chance
that httpd version 2.2.15 will be built for f13/f12?
Thanks
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I was just about to enter some webcam test results but the results
that were there earlier seem to have disappeared! Is it just me or
has some clutz deleted the entries?
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
Did you look at the history? That might give a clue if it was intentional or
a mistake.
It seems ok to me -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-11_webcams
Is that not the page you're looking at?
Yup -
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