On 03/26/2012 08:00 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Which leads me to a rant about ARM. G RANT!! I didn't think I'd
ever love the BIOS, but compared to the alternatives (UEFI and a
million different ARM bootloaders) it's simple and effective.
There is some truth to that. Nobody is going
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 18:28 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
They
will smell like low-energy alternatives to PC servers over time, and in
another decade or two something more exciting than UEFI will replace
UEFI and folks will mail about how
On 03/28/2012 06:13 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:23:48PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
In the future, ARM systems will transition increasingly to UEFI. Many
ARM server systems will likely eventually boot with ACPI as well. They
will smell like low-energy alternatives to
Hi,
they use a rather scary looking pile of development boards with very
poor I/O.
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. It's a very clean package, and
I can get 80 MB/sec to my file server's disks. That is neither
scary nor poor I/O.
http://www.delorie.com/arm/trimslice/iscsi.html
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gerd Hoffmann kra...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
they use a rather scary looking pile of development boards with very
poor I/O.
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. It's a very clean package, and
I can get 80 MB/sec to my file server's disks. That is neither
On 03/26/12 11:00, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gerd Hoffmann kra...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
they use a rather scary looking pile of development boards with very
poor I/O.
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. It's a very clean package, and
I can get 80 MB/sec to
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:26:47PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Another possible way would be to boot directly from iscsi like you can
do on x86 with an sanboot-enabled iPXE rom. I have no idea whenever
u-boot can handle that though.
No. The U-boot supplied on the Trim-Slice is very
Any particular reason why you boot the thing via tftp? I'd expect
just having /boot on the sd card (which you need for boot anyway) is
easier, especially when it comes to kernel updates.
I wanted the minimum on the sdcard (it just has the tftboot script)
because our build farm only has one
Which leads me to a rant about ARM. G RANT!! I didn't think
I'd ever love the BIOS, but compared to the alternatives (UEFI and a
million different ARM bootloaders) it's simple and effective.
This is getting way off-topic, but... most linux-capable ARM chips
support a BIOS in the pc
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 01:37:39PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
Which leads me to a rant about ARM. G RANT!! I didn't think
I'd ever love the BIOS, but compared to the alternatives (UEFI and a
million different ARM bootloaders) it's simple and effective.
This is getting way off-topic,
Given that the pc sense of BIOS includes having arguments returned in
x86 registers, I really don't think that's true.
ARM has registers too...
My point is, the ARM chips *do* support an on-board flash bootloader,
and there's no reason why that bootloader couldn't export a standard
ABI that
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:32:15PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
Given that the pc sense of BIOS includes having arguments returned in
x86 registers, I really don't think that's true.
ARM has registers too...
My point is, the ARM chips *do* support an on-board flash bootloader,
and
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:30 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
What a horrible thing to say about a company that's put a lot of
effort into supporting their products on Free Software platforms!
I think the Nouveau developers have a different story to tell you there.
You might
On Mar 22, 2012 8:32 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds
for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in fact suitable -
either in current implementation, or in terms of our
On Mar 23, 2012 3:22 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
The only ones where this is possible right now are actually x86 based
tablets. Even Windows 8 wont help here as MS mandates that the
- Original Message -
Define do it as MeeGo is dead and they had to cosy up to Microsoft
to survive, not sure I'd even wish that on canonical!
In reality, Nokia never started working on MeeGo ;-)
Once we're sooo off-topic (and tablets and cell phones) became the topic,
I think ARM as
Le Jeu 22 mars 2012 21:13, Przemek Klosowski a écrit :
Fair enough, but the trends are well established,
Like the netbook trends were well established?
In the last years there has been a clear struggle between users that want
cheaper computing and hardware manufacturers that want either to
On 03/22/2012 10:42 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
Fair enough, but the trends are well established, and the data are
for shipments so the actual deployed numbers are compounded (flat
shipments translate to steady growth, linear or faster shipment
growth means quadratic or
On 03/23/2012 05:59 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
And yes smartphones are booming, but they're not booming because they
are a good desktop substitute, they're booming because they are a
good dumbphone substitute (and before that digital cameras replaced
chemical cameras, and mp3 readers replaced
always with the caveat that you can't just use make -j 288 on them.
Why not? Multi-CPU machines is very old technology.
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:46:23 +0100
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
My desktop is actually older and slower than my notebook. Yet I use the
desktop whenever I'm at home. The form factor is just more convenient.
That's just what you personally prefer. I quit using desktops back
in
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:01:27 -0400
DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.
This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM.
Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder.
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Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder.
So buy a trimslice and use the internal SSD or sata disk. The
trimslice has everything the netwinder has (and more), and uses half
the power.
http://trimslice.com/web/
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Pete Zaitcev zait...@redhat.com wrote:
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.
This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM.
Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder.
Whatever floats your boat! ARM SoCs are
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:50:38PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Pete Zaitcev zait...@redhat.com wrote:
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.
This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM.
Glad it works for you, but I need a real
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Pete Zaitcev zait...@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:01:27 -0400
DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.
This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM.
Glad it works for you, but I need a real
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:02:37 +
Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
It unfortunately shed no light on the ARM topic, because, well,
there's ARM SoCs in all those form factors.
Except the x86-64 high performance single threaded class :-)
Rich, check this out -
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:05:39 +
Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
Trimslice has options of SSD or HDD as well so it would be no less of
a real machine like a netwinder.
http://trimslice.com/web/models
So I see, thanks. DJ's original suggestion was too forceful in insisting
on
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Pete Zaitcev zait...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:05:39 +
Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
Trimslice has options of SSD or HDD as well so it would be no less of
a real machine like a netwinder.
http://trimslice.com/web/models
So
So I see, thanks. DJ's original suggestion was too forceful in insisting
on iSCSI.
Sorry, I'm a big fan of iSCSI on trimslices. The SATA interface is on
USB but the gigE isn't, so network (iscsi) is about 3x faster than a
local disk, if you have a big raid server on the other end.
I have two
DJ Deloried...@redhat.com wrote:
Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.
Pete Zaitcev wrote:
This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM.
Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder.
You did see that there's a Trimslice H model that can
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
Of course, but numbers are numbers; we just have to pay attention to
lighter, mobile formfactors. It is the same reasoning as in the desktop
vs. server dilemma 15 years ago: you could say that 'servers are
per-company devices', so Linux has been concentrating on the
DJ Delorie wrote:
So buy a trimslice and use the internal SSD or sata disk. The
trimslice has everything the netwinder has (and more), and uses half
the power.
http://trimslice.com/web/
Trim-Slice is the first desktop computer powered by NVIDIA Tegra 2.
i.e., by buying a Trimslice, you
i.e., by buying a Trimslice, you give money to The Enemy!
What a horrible thing to say about a company that's put a lot of
effort into supporting their products on Free Software platforms!
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On 23 March 2012 18:24, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
So buy a trimslice and use the internal SSD or sata disk. The
trimslice has everything the netwinder has (and more), and uses half
the power.
http://trimslice.com/web/
Trim-Slice is the first desktop
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
So buy a trimslice and use the internal SSD or sata disk. The
trimslice has everything the netwinder has (and more), and uses half
the power.
http://trimslice.com/web/
Trim-Slice is the first
DJ Delorie wrote:
What a horrible thing to say about a company that's put a lot of
effort into supporting their products on Free Software platforms!
I think the Nouveau developers have a different story to tell you there.
Kevin Kofler
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is the top of the heap today, so I don't need to bother thinking
about anything else.
I'd rephrase that as That architecture is not mature yet., i.e. the
opposite problem compared to That architecture is obsolete.
It will be time to consider ARM for primary architecture status when
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
our computers are about to become typewriters. It will not be a decade
longer.
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:23 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
our computers are about to become typewriters. It will not be a decade
longer.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:23 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com
wrote:
our computers are about to become typewriters. It will not be a decade
longer.
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:10 AM, drago01 wrote:
Interesting. People I know just using them (tablets) as toys to play
some causal games, surf the net read mails. They go back to there
laptops / desktops to do anything beyond that.
Most people don't. It's important to understand most of us on
On 03/22/2012 01:38 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
(but the multi-core ARM setups actually present themselves as a
multi-computer cluster, which is not supported by make -j, not as
a multi-CPU computer)
FWIW, I'm pretty sure this is not the case for the ARM computers
on the way now: they are
On 03/22/2012 02:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
Exactly! Ultimately what we need is FESCo to document what are the
requirements of being promoted to a primary architecture and then it's
the ARM SIGs job of ensuring they adhere to the requirements, provide
viable workable
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:10 AM, drago01 wrote:
Interesting. People I know just using them (tablets) as toys to play
some causal games, surf the net read mails. They go back to there
laptops / desktops to do anything
computers or laptops.
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I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture
for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While
there is no doubt
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Chris Tyler wrote:
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 02:38 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
And finally, for our build speed issue, the practical consideration will
be whether the parallelism will actually speed our builds up. Right now
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Brendan Conoboy wrote:
Hypothetically speaking, if presented with an ARM system that builds
packages, on average, 3x faster than x86, will you advocate that x86 be
dropped to secondary and ARM be PA exclusively?
Not
On 03/22/2012 10:17 AM, elison.ni...@gmail.com wrote:
And what will Fedora have achieved after putting in so much work? A
few users (read geeks) who will be willing to install Fedora on their
android tablets or ipads? Are there any ARM boards out in the market
that are waiting to get Fedora
Well people couldn't live without dumbphones either so this is
natural progress.
They could. They had desktops or laptops. Most people would replace their
phone in a day if it broke or were lost. A home computer? Weekend. Maybe
next weekend.
Most people that buy smartphones today *do*
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2012 01:38 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
(but the multi-core ARM setups actually present themselves as a
multi-computer cluster, which is not supported by make -j, not as
a multi-CPU computer)
FWIW, I'm pretty sure this
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture
for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While
there is no doubt that the tablet/mobile market is growing rapidly
$.
Now, does it mean that we need to rush the ARM primary architecture? Of
course not--as others have said, one gets the job because one can do the
job, but we need to figure out the details of how to get there:
- toolchain/build environment speed
- better and/or standard installation mechanism
Le Jeu 22 mars 2012 14:11, Przemek Klosowski a écrit :
On 03/22/2012 02:31 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
That opinion is flat out ridiculous. Or maybe it makes sense if you
think consumer desktops are the be-all and end-all; but they are not.
Consumer desktops and notebooks. The
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 15:04 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Jeu 22 mars 2012 14:11, Przemek Klosowski a écrit :
On 03/22/2012 02:31 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
That opinion is flat out ridiculous. Or maybe it makes sense if you
think consumer desktops are the be-all and
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture
for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While
there is no doubt that the tablet/mobile market is growing rapidly
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture
for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While
Where is the hardware?
-- development boards --
BeagleBoard
PandaBoard (dual-core 1GHz, 1GB)
PandaBoard ES (dual-core 1.2GHz, 1GB)
You can buy the above at digikey, they've been shipping for a while.
They come with Ubuntu Desktop, just add keyboard, mouse, and monitor.
Raspberry Pi - slower,
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:52:29 -0400
Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
6) supported platforms must be fully integrated into building and
installation.
Apropos that, what are the supported platforms right now?
From what I know about the Fedora on ARM, they use a rather scary
looking pile
On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:16 AM, drago01 wrote:
I said the people I was talking about used them as toys. (Please read
what I wrote and don't try to refute stuff that isn't even written
there).
Don't get in a huff over things I haven't said either. Most people are also
very entertained by
On 03/22/2012 12:23 AM, drago01 wrote:
While I agree that we will see more smartphones and tablets in the
future the people that actually replace there traditional computers
with tablets or even smartphones are near zero.
Sells do not really tell the whole story as many people simply don't
have
On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Apples and oranges. You could print the same stats a few years ago about cars
vs scooters/bicycles
Guess what all the Chinese/Indian bicycle riders started to buy as soon as
they had the means to…
They did not, are not. Especially in
On 03/22/2012 04:26 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
Actually that is not the case, it might be the case in the western
developed world, but in the developing world in places like China,
India and Africa in most cases the first an only device that a user
has is a smart phone or tablet due to the fact
From what I know about the Fedora on ARM,
Please check your what you know against the current situtation, it's
very easy to let obsolete impressions carry forth, but they're no
longer applicable.
they use a rather scary looking pile of development boards with very
poor I/O.
Buy a trimslice
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote:
Where is the hardware? Do you see signs of ARM boards coming in the
near future (next 1 year or so) on which users can install operating
systems of their choice?
I wonder where you've been. See Raspberry Pi and Trimslice
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said:
The data is noisy but there's a significant minority who do not have
computers, now buying a smart phone. This will grow. They may never end up
with a desktop. Even Apple has
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:20 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Which is exactly what I am trying to say as soon as you want to create
content you want a real device. (keyboard! interface)
Folks! In this mailing list I'd expect people to know: an arch is an
arch is an arch.
Some ARM CPUs
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:20 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Which is exactly what I am trying to say as soon as you want to create
content you want a real device. (keyboard! interface)
Folks! In this
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 01:57 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
Desktop computers are used overwhelmingly for email and web browsing.
It's total overkill. The desktop computer is a super computer that no
consumer really needs. It's a dying market.
I think you may be, to some extent, over-stating your
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said:
In my experience, that's way more about the interface than anything else.
Take for example a middle schooler - mine uses a laptop. Not because it
runs a desktop OS, not because it runs Fedora, but mainly just because
who on earth wants to write a 5
On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:15 PM, drago01 wrote:
Last time I checked a paper isn't a laptop / pc so replacing a paper
with tablets (which can be the better choice depending on the use
case) does not mean people are replacing there pcs with tablets.
Both jump from PC dependency, and skipping it
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
[...]
A kindle (unless you mean the kindle fire tablet) is an ereader which
aligns exactly with what I have said.
I think you overestimate the need/dependency people have for desktop/laptop
computers.
You
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 14:08 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
The overwhelming bulk of the market is consumption. Not creation. And
the growth is in the former, not the latter.
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds
for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 16:13 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
Of course predictions are tricky, especially when they concern the
future :)
I am curious as to what _other_ types of prediction you think exist. =)
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Adam Williamson wrote:
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds
for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in fact suitable -
either in current implementation, or in terms of our self-definition and
long term goals - for this whole 'market' you are
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 15:32 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds
for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in fact suitable -
either in current implementation, or in terms of our
Adam Williamson wrote:
It doesn't seem like a huge over-reach to assume that any RH interest in
ARM is more on the server side than a raging desire to take on Android
and the iPad:) (Note: I don't have any sekrit inside info on this. It
seems like a reasonable guess, though.)
Yes, I realize
On 03/22/2012 01:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds
for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in fact suitable -
either in current implementation, or in terms of our self-definition and
long term goals - for this whole
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 14:55 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
The mitigating factors are:
a) the desktop market could be considered unlikely to literally _die_.
What may happen instead is it could become much more of a niche - in
fact,
On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 14:08 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
The overwhelming bulk of the market is consumption. Not creation. And
the growth is in the former, not the latter.
I would still like you to consider the question of whether this
On 03/22/2012 05:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I tried using a
laptop and no desktop for a year and switched _back_ to a desktop, I
found the faff involved in switching between the two setups too much
of a pain. I'm sure I'm not unique either. =)
Me too.
Oops. I bet I'm not supposed to send
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
Fair enough, but the trends are well established, and the data are for
shipments so the actual deployed numbers are compounded (flat
shipments translate to steady growth, linear or faster shipment growth
means quadratic or maybe even exponential growth).
Quite the
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
The number of desktops has been flat for last 7 years.
So first of all, as you pointed out yourself, this is not the number of
desktop, but the number of NEW desktops shipped.
The numbers have been flat in that the growth in shipments has slowed
down. But they're
Peter Robinson wrote:
But it's not just about computers, I'm very surprised that being the
KDE advocate you are that you don't want to run your hard work on the
KDE based Spark/Vivaldi tablet.
I'm not saying devices like the Vivaldi shouldn't be a target. I'm saying
they shouldn't be a PRIMARY
Peter Robinson wrote:
That is correct, I presume he's referring to the big.LITTLE
architecture which runs 8 cores, 4 low power low speed, 4 high power
high speed. At the moment for the initial implementation they are
suspending / resuming to switch between the pair but in the future
they plan
Peter Robinson wrote:
But as you said yourself in an earlier thread a lot of compilation
isn't massively parallel so massive amount of cores for building isn't
necessarily as much a win as pure GHz. On that front the current A15
gen which is arriving now easily does the 2.5 - 3 ghz that the
Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
The only ones where this is possible right now are actually x86 based
tablets. Even Windows 8 wont help here as MS mandates that the
devices are locked with secure boot without having an option to disable
Adam Williamson wrote:
Anecdotal data is great, but it's just anecdotal. I tried using a laptop
and no desktop for a year and switched back to a desktop, I found the
faff involved in switching between the two setups too much of a pain.
I'm sure I'm not unique either. =)
My desktop is actually
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your message.
On 03/22/2012 11:21 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
The only ones where this is possible right now are actually x86 based
tablets. Even Windows 8 wont help here as MS mandates
On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
Anecdotal data is great, but it's just anecdotal. I tried using a laptop
and no desktop for a year and switched back to a desktop, I found the
faff involved in switching between the two setups too much of a pain.
I'm
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Similarly, I don't want to replace my 13.3 notebook with a 7-10 tablet or
netbook, even if the performance were the same. 13.3 fits nicely in my
backpack, which fits my needs for mobility.
I think this conversation has
On 03/20/2012 05:44 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jon Masters wrote:
On 03/20/2012 11:52 AM, Peter Jones wrote:
7) it can't be a serious maintenance burdon due to build related issues.
We need a couple of groups to sign off that builds are fast enough, not
just on a full distro rebuild
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Peter Jones wrote:
In yesterday's FESCo meeting I told you I'd make a list of specific issues
I have with the current proposal for ARM as a primary archictecture. There
are some places where I think the current
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Peter Jones wrote:
In yesterday's FESCo meeting I told you I'd make a list of specific issues
I have with the current proposal for ARM as a
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:12:25PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
How was this handled in the case of PPC? My understanding is that due
to legal reasons the Fedora Project never officially provided access
to PPC machines. There were a number of machines that users could get
access to that were
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
1) mechanisms need to be in place to get package maintainers access to
fix
arm-specific bugs in their packages
So we have a tracker bug at the moment. Is that sufficient? If so, we
obviously should make sure
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:12:25PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
How was this handled in the case of PPC? My understanding is that due
to legal reasons the Fedora Project never officially provided access
to PPC
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
1) mechanisms need to be in place to get package maintainers access to
fix
arm-specific bugs in their packages
So we have a tracker bug at the
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 12:26 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
No, we've never said that ever! But then there are a lot of desktops
that run just fine without OpenGL. 3D really wasn't in a great state
even in x86 until Fedora 15 with a lot of drivers only doing it
partially or not at all, even now
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 13:32 +0100, drago01 wrote:
Even though I disagree with Kevin that we should block on does not
have 3D drivers .. OpenGL is imo
even more important on ARM (non server systems) then on x86.
A tablet or smartphone without hardware accelerated rendering is just
useless
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