Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-13 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 12 December 2016 at 20:54, Nicholas Miell wrote: [...] > systemd-coredump (or, rather, journald) ignores the split between system > accounts and user accounts as configured in /etc/login.defs ("the > authoritative definition of UID/GID space allocation", according to the > Fedora wiki)

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-12 Thread Nicholas Miell
On 12/05/2016 08:54 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: = System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/coredumpctl Change owner(s): * Michael Catanzaro Enable coredumpctl by default. Core dumps will be stored in the system journal rather than created in the

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-08 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2016-12-08 at 14:59 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > This need to be checked: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1341829 > it should be fixed now. Should. I did not had time to test it yet. > > You should add it to test plan. It is part of the test plan already; if core dump

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-08 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 6.12.2016 v 15:55 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a): > The change page does mention that we're not disabling ABRT entirely, as > ABRT already has the needed integration to get core dumps from systemd, > thanks to Jakub and the other ABRT developers. We're only disabling the > component of ABRT that

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2016-12-06 at 12:28 +0100, jfi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > Thank you. The service watching journald for coredumps saved by > systemd-coredump already exists: > > http://abrt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/examples.html#getting-core-files > -from-systemd-coredumctl This. The change page does

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-06 Thread jfilak
-- Původní zpráva -- Od: Lennart Poettering <mzerq...@0pointer.de> Komu: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel@lists.fedoraproject. org> Datum: 6. 12. 2016 11:11:48 Předmět: Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default "On Tue, 06.12.1

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 06.12.16 10:16, Miroslav Suchý (msu...@redhat.com) wrote: > Dne 6.12.2016 v 09:52 Gerd Hoffmann napsal(a): > > Hmm, isn't this as easy as abrt being able to find and analyze coredumps > > written by coredumpctl (in addition to the coredumps written by the abrt > > dumper)? > > Yes, it is

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-06 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 6.12.2016 v 09:52 Gerd Hoffmann napsal(a): > Hmm, isn't this as easy as abrt being able to find and analyze coredumps > written by coredumpctl (in addition to the coredumps written by the abrt > dumper)? Yes, it is quite easy. But ABRT cannot do this query every second/minute/hour. So

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-06 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > We have two technologies: ABRT and coredumpctl. Each of them have > different purpose and none of them 100 % fit > everybody. So instead of discussing which one should be installed by > default, we can sit together (ABRT and systemd > teams) and integrate it together? So users can get

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 5.12.2016 v 17:54 Jan Kurik napsal(a): > Note that coredumpctl is intended as a developer tool, not as an > automatic bug reporting tool nor as a replacement for ABRT. Who is main user of Fedora? Developer (who may prefer coredumpctl) or normal user (who may prefer bug reporting tool)? > >

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Nicholas Miell
On 12/05/2016 07:05 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: meanwhile systemd-coredump steals away my core dumps and requires privileged operations to retrieve them. No, it doesn't. Coredumps are accessible to the user that the program was running under. So you can see your coredumps, and

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 05:58:19PM -0800, Nicholas Miell wrote: > On 12/05/2016 05:46 PM, Nicholas Miell wrote: > >On 12/05/2016 12:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >>systemd-coredump+coredumpctl give you pretty easy access to core > >>files, they are just dumped into

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Nicholas Miell
On 12/05/2016 05:46 PM, Nicholas Miell wrote: On 12/05/2016 12:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: systemd-coredump+coredumpctl give you pretty easy access to core files, they are just dumped into /var/lib/systemd/coredump/. The advantage is that a) things are logged and can be easily

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Nicholas Miell
On 12/05/2016 12:55 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: systemd-coredump+coredumpctl give you pretty easy access to core files, they are just dumped into /var/lib/systemd/coredump/. The advantage is that a) things are logged and can be easily looked up and queried, b) you get a lot of

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread jfilak
/HQ4JFTYLPT5GRW6AD4M2MWGMRAPE7ITN/ Jakub -- Původní zpráva -- Od: DJ Delorie <d...@redhat.com> Komu: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel@lists.fedoraproject. org> Datum: 5. 12. 2016 23:08:56 Předmět: Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default " Zbig

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek writes: > You still can restore such behaviour pretty easily. Just set the > kernel.core_pattern sysctl. Yup, that's what I do. Just adding my two cents on Fedora trying to help me "be a developer" without doing what I need as a developer. But I

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread jfilak
-- Původní zpráva -- Od: DJ Delorie <d...@redhat.com> Komu: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel@lists.fedoraproject. org> Datum: 5. 12. 2016 20:37:43 Předmět: Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default " Jan Kurik <jku...@redhat

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread jfilak
" -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbys...@in.waw.pl> Komu: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel@lists.fedoraproject. org> Datum: 5. 12. 2016 21:57:12 Předmět: Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default "On Mon,

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 02:36:13PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Jan Kurik writes: > > Note that coredumpctl is intended as a developer tool, > > As a developer, I remove abrt and anything else that redirects cores > away from my development area. It's really hard to debug a

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread DJ Delorie
Jan Kurik writes: > Note that coredumpctl is intended as a developer tool, As a developer, I remove abrt and anything else that redirects cores away from my development area. It's really hard to debug a core dump if you can't find the core file. Just sayin'

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 05.12.16 19:27, Török Edwin (edwin...@etorok.eu) wrote: > On 2016-12-05 18:54, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/coredumpctl > > > > Change owner(s): > > * Michael Catanzaro > > > > Enable coredumpctl

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 19:27 +0200, Török Edwin wrote: > The description here is a bit confusing, and scary: what if I run out > of space and I need to rm the coredumps to make room? Sorry, that description is wrong; core dumps used to be stored in the journal and still can be, but that's not the

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/05/2016 12:27 PM, Török Edwin wrote: The description here is a bit confusing, and scary: what if I run out of space and I need to rm the coredumps to make room? If the coredumps are stored in the same file as the systemd journal I'd loose my system logs too, so it makes no sense to have

Re: F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Török Edwin
On 2016-12-05 18:54, Jan Kurik wrote: > = System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/coredumpctl > > Change owner(s): > * Michael Catanzaro > > Enable coredumpctl by default. Core dumps will be stored in the system > journal rather than created

F26 System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default

2016-12-05 Thread Jan Kurik
= System Wide Change: Enable coredumpctl by default = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/coredumpctl Change owner(s): * Michael Catanzaro Enable coredumpctl by default. Core dumps will be stored in the system journal rather than created in the crashing process's current working directory by