On 05/14/2012 08:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 11:49 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 09:52 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote:
The most important issue in this thread is ability to boot from USB2.0.
No, it isn't. mjg59 wrote:
the inability to boot from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports
that can be bootstrapped from a bootloader sitting on a CD or
On 05/15/2012 12:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 09:52 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote:
The most important issue in this thread is ability to boot from USB2.0.
No, it isn't. mjg59 wrote:
the inability to boot from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports
that can be
On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger
than a CD.
Not only that - the people who
That doesn't seem to contradict me? If we went with this approach then
we'd obviously want to include a CD-USB bootloader, but otherwise it
sounds like there'd be no problem doing a USB install on that hardware.
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On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 11:49 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from
On 11/05/12 00:30, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger
than a CD.
The way forward for those cheap machines on cheap networks is to let
them boot from CD but to then pull
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger
than a CD.
Not only that - the people who have no bandwidth, the inability to boot
from
On 05/10/12 17:00, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 09:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Jackson wrote:
Even if all of your objections are true, and who knows, they might be:
we already do provide alternatives. The Live media is not the only
install media.
The other alternatives
Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Also, can the netinst.iso install from local media too? A usb key for
example? So you can use netinst.iso @ CD and install-dvd @ usbkey to
install if your box can boot from cd only ...
Why do we have to complicate things so much instead of just stopping the
creeping
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Also, can the netinst.iso install from local media too? A usb key for
example? So you can use netinst.iso @ CD and install-dvd @ usbkey to
install if your box can boot from cd only ...
Why do
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Even without minidebug info we already don't have enough space.
No office suite on the deskop spin; no translations on the kde spin
We complicate things by insisting that a CD is the upper limit. Which
might have been
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Even without minidebug info we already don't have enough space.
No office suite on the deskop spin; no translations on the kde spin
We complicate
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Even without minidebug info we already don't have enough space.
No office suite on the
On May 11, 2012, at 4:12 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Why do we have to complicate things so much instead of just stopping the
creeping biggerism?
This is a very old debate. How is it surprising that computers, year over year,
for many years now, have faster CPUs, more RAM and disk capacity, and
Adam Jackson wrote:
Even if all of your objections are true, and who knows, they might be:
we already do provide alternatives. The Live media is not the only
install media.
The other alternatives are either already DVDs or netinstall CDs which
require a fast Internet connection (which people
On 05/09/2012 03:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn to
optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced seek
time
is entirely worth it.
I'd like
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 09:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Jackson wrote:
Even if all of your objections are true, and who knows, they might be:
we already do provide alternatives. The Live media is not the only
install media.
The other alternatives are either already DVDs or
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 09:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Adam Jackson wrote:
Even if all of your objections are true, and who knows, they might be:
we already do provide alternatives. The Live media is not the only
On May 10, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Adam Jackson wrote:
So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger
than a CD.
Do we think that's a statistically significant number of people, or are
we just arguing?
Chris Murphy wrote:
Isn't it also true the Live CD is English only?
Most of the CDs carry translations, the KDE one does not though, due to how
KDE translations work (they sit in huge kde-l10n-* packages).
The idea is that you install from the live CD and then you install the
translation for
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn
to
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn to
optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced seek
time
is entirely worth it.
I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn to
optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced seek
time
is
If you watch, you can get DVD burners for about $15 USD.
eg:
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/62972/newegg-liteon-external-cddvd-burner-w-lightscribe-support
Or used for about $5-$10 at any flea market.
On 05/09/2012 04:33 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik
On May 9, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are users
for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of these
users among some countries... For me personally CD is history, even
DVD, same 1 GB flash drive.
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn to
optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced seek
time
is entirely worth
- Original Message -
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
barrier
precisely so people can't burn things to CDs. If you must burn
to
optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the
On 05/09/2012 01:33 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are users
for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of these
users among some countries...
On 05/09/2012 05:34 PM, John Reiser wrote:
On 05/09/2012 01:33 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are users
for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of
John Reiser wrote:
My 700MHz PentiumIII with 384MB RAM
If Fedora Live media is going to be held back due to your requirements
then I'm going to find myself a new distro to contribute to.
Yes, Fedora Live media should support a *reasonable* set of hardware.
Your hardware is no longer
On 05/09/2012 05:34 PM, John Reiser wrote:
On 05/09/2012 01:33 PM, drago01 wrote:
A DVD burner costs ~12 € ... and any computer that old isn't really
that capable of running fedora reasonably anyway.
Such a claim is FALSE. My 700MHz PentiumIII with 384MB RAM runs Fedora 11
just fine.
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 15:17 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
But if it's almost trivial to have two Live Desktop builds: CD and DVD, then
I'd suggest that route.
I can tell you it's very unlikely they'd both get comprehensively QA'ed.
And the more spins we have, the more likely some of them are to
Dne 9.5.2012 23:34, John Reiser napsal(a):
On 05/09/2012 01:33 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznikjrez...@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are users
for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of
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