Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:01:31AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Note that it should be relatively straight-forward to implement a generator (even in shell...) that generates native systemd-networkd configuration snippets from ifcfg files at runtime (or upgrade-time), similar to how we

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-21 16:18 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:30:48PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation 2 used by default + 1 used but not used by default I think. In that case your argument is right

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-21 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:30:48PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation 2 used by default + 1 used but not used by default I think. In that case your argument is right but it's my turn to not accept your premise :) networkd was introduced

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 17.04.14 01:24, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: I don't think we can, or should, have three separate network configuration systems in Fedora at the same time. We already know how long and painful the migration to NetworkManager has been—and AFAICS networkd doesn't support any

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 22.04.14 06:01, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: environment (say, everything via DHCP, no VPNs, no IPSec, no bridges, nothing else), and telling both users and application developers not to Note that networkd supports static configuration, bridges and some forms

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-17 1:42 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 01:24:50AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I don't think we can, or should, have three separate network configuration systems in Fedora at the same time. We already know how long and painful I think

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (NetworkManager and initscripts) and one that's available but not used by default anywhere (systemd-networkd). This would simply swap the status of systemd-networkd and initscripts. Is NetworkManager already at the *100%

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-17 21:54 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (NetworkManager and initscripts) and one that's available but not used by default anywhere (systemd-networkd). This would simply swap the status of

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-17 22:27 GMT+02:00 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz: 2014-04-17 21:54 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (NetworkManager and initscripts) and one that's available but not used by default anywhere

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-16 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-14 22:56 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: ** Replace NetworkManager, etc. with systemd-networkd. snip Also, I know you know this but just as a general clarification: the cloud image isn't currently using NetworkManager anyway but is using the good ol' network

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 01:24:50AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I don't think we can, or should, have three separate network configuration systems in Fedora at the same time. We already know how long and painful I think we'd stay at two, basically -- right now, we have two in use

F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-14 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Smaller_Cloud_Image_Footprint Change owner(s): Sandro Mathys r...@fedoraproject.org Cloud SIG Shrink the footprint of our cloud images as far as reasonably, and within the given timeframe,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: == Scope == As mentioned, there's really various changes that are quite independent of each other but share the common goal. * Proposal owners: ** Replace NetworkManager, etc. with systemd-networkd. ** Make sure only just kernel-core, not kernel

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:15:50PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: ** Replace NetworkManager, etc. with systemd-networkd. ** Make sure only just kernel-core, not kernel and kernel-drivers, is installed (see the related change: Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud [1]). ** Make sure only the