On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
We already discussed this a lot in another thread. It should not be
automatic. The thread is titled [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc
networks - New Icons
Yep -- I did read that thread, way back.
In ad-hoc, there is just one
2009/10/22 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
We already discussed this a lot in another thread. It should not be
automatic. The thread is titled [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc
networks - New Icons
Yep -- I did read
2009/10/22 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org:
Ok, but if they are close enough it will work. The question is: if we
tell all our nodes to use the same ESSID (or a set of 3 ESSIDs, one
per freq), will independently created networks join and split
reasonably well?
No - ad-hoc is so simple that
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:41:22AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
2. This kind of situation will happen frequently:
A - B - C
B can see both users A and C on his network view. A can only see B,
and C can only
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
2009/10/22 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
What would be more reliable in the under a tree use case: ad-hoc or
mesh with a max of 1 hop?
Mesh, since everyone does their own beaconing.
That's my guess too. But the
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 03:36:50PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote:
One of the biggest headaches we have to deal with, even
when we have infrastructure networks, is the bug where every XO has a
different set of neighbours on the neighbourhood view. Now we'd be
making that bug a feature.
Isn't this
2009/10/22 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
That's my guess too. But the hard-to-answer question is how much more
reliable? So we can answer is it worth the big effort?
I think both the beaconing and the forwarding will have a big effect
on the reliability of the network, but it still
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:31, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 03:36:50PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote:
One of the biggest headaches we have to deal with, even
when we have infrastructure networks, is the bug where every XO has a
different set of neighbours
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
I think both the beaconing and the forwarding will have a big effect
on the reliability of the network, but it still won't bring us to any
degree of reliability.
In first reading, t sounds self-contradictory -- but what you
Martin Langhoff wrote:
I now realize we'd forgotten about Cerebro. If anyone is going to take
the hard road, it may be a viable option -- did we ever have a clear
plan of what it'd take to integrate it fully (where 'fully' means
that things just work at least roughly to where they do on
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
2009/10/22 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
What would be more reliable in the under a tree use case: ad-hoc or
mesh with a max of 1 hop?
Mesh, since everyone does their own beaconing.
That's my
/boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number.
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com wrote:
OLPC release 11 Leonidas
Sugar 0.84.2
Firmware Q3A11
Yeah, those OSs don't report themselves correctly. The XOs probably
were sent
2009/10/21 Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org:
/boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number.
no such file or directory
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2009/10/21 Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com:
2009/10/21 Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org:
/boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number.
no such file or directory
Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the
build system now that we moved to a separate boot partition.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the
build system now that we moved to a separate boot partition. We should
probably write the version on both partitions.
Yep - /etc/olpc_build is probably a good
I don't like the idea of a second copy - A man with 2 watches never
knows what time it is.
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the
build system now that we moved to a
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote:
I don't like the idea of a second copy - A man with 2 watches never knows
what time it is.
If we can make sure /boot is mounted, a symlink -- will do :-) The
convention is that the OS build is identified by someting in the
On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying:
no mesh network showing in neighbourhood
My understanding is that mesh is not currently supported in the
WLAN firmware for the new chips. I am not sure what the plan of
action is in regards to mesh support for 1.5.
the new record
2009/10/21 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a bug in the
build system now that we moved to a separate boot partition. We should
probably write the version on
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:18:54AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
The convention is that the OS build is identified by someting in the
form of /etc/foo-release (lsb-release).
The SoaS plan is to create /etc/soas-release, FWIW.
cheers,
m
Martin
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
2009/10/21 Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com:
2009/10/21 Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org:
/boot/olpc_version usually contains the right number.
no such file or directory
Maybe you don't have /boot mounted, or maybe there is a
mitch wrote:
I don't like the idea of a second copy - A man with 2 watches never
knows what time it is.
but in this case, both watches would be right, and that would be
very interesting information indeed. :-)
(i.e., they should never be out of sync, and if they are, then it's
better to
Hi,
The media is split into a /boot ext2 partition with the rest
setup as ext4 so that OFW can read olpc.fth and do other
operations without needing to have support for ext4. I noticed
the inidicator too and find it very confusing from an end-user UI
perspective. One should
On Oct 20 2009, at 19:04, Tabitha Roder was caught saying:
no mesh network showing in neighbourhood
My understanding is that mesh is not currently supported in the
WLAN firmware for the new chips. I am not sure what the plan of
action is in regards to mesh support for 1.5.
For laptops to
Hi,
But I don't know if NetworkManager and Sugar are fully organized
to do Ad Hoc networking, presence, messaging, file sharing, etc
in the absence of an access point.
They are; the final piece was work by Tomeu Vizoso to add a UI for
creating/joining ad-hoc networks in Sugar, which
On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Tiago Marques wrote:
Hasn't mesh proved useful in deployments?
No, it hasn't. We actively discourage anyone from using it, and I'm
not aware of any successful applications of it except in test and
demonstration situations.
I suspect you are, like many, many
2009/10/22 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com:
They are -- but it's pretty awkward to activate. I am arguing that
ad-hoc networking with a preset ESSID, and Salut should be the
transparent fallback. Just like the mesh was on earlier releases.
We already discussed this a lot in another
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 07:48:06AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote:
Ad-hoc will work well for the cases where the children get together in
a small space and explicitly create a throwaway network. If it is
created automatically, I predict we will just get an unreliable mess.
And we won't really be
No mesh:
Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5
XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story
and then have the other children join in to write together.
How does the teacher do this - in less than 100 words and not one word
G'day Tabitha,
I think I can relax you a bit ... there seems to have been a minor
misunderstanding caused by ambiguous terms.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:06:15PM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote:
No mesh:
Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been
handed 5 XOs for my
2009/10/22 Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com:
No mesh:
Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been handed 5
XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start writing a story
and then have the other children join in to write together.
How does the teacher do this -
2009/10/22 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org:
You can manually establish an Ad-Hoc network between several XO-1.5's in
build os32 using the following temporary procedure:
1. start Terminal and become root,
eek! no need to get dirty; you can create an ad-hoc network from a
single click in the
On Wednesday 21 October 2009 06:41:54 pm Ed McNierney wrote:
I also want to point out that in cases where 802.11s mesh operation is
desirable, the Open802.11s stack (http://www.open80211s.org/) should
be investigated. There's no reason Open802.11s software can't be used
to make an XO a Mesh
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 09:24:08AM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote:
eek! no need to get dirty; you can create an ad-hoc network from a
single click in the frame, and then the others can join it from the
neighborhood view.
Sounds neat. Doesn't work. #9540 raised.
--
James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 02:31:28PM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 04:06:15PM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote:
Just checking this scenario I am a teacher and have just been
handed 5 XOs for my students. I am told you can have a child start
writing a story and then have
One can also check the 1.5 tickets at http://dev.laptop.org/1.5
- Ed
P.S. Remember - if it's not in trac, it doesn't exist. If you find a
problem, check trac and open a ticket if it's not already there.
Tabitha correctly labeled this thread as playing with 1.5, which is
fine and
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