I think we are all in complete agreement re predictable release
schedules. It is the naming scheme we are struggling with.
-walter
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Kent Loobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is my two cents on this subject.
start-of-rant
I worked for over ten years on a
Charles,
An attempt to answer some of your questions:
Could someone let me know if *all* the BitFrost implementation is opensource?
yes
Long lived photograph/name/laptop pairing is made.
In current implementations, there is no photograph, so any discussion
of the implementation details is
And in point of fact, the new designs are in large part informed by
observations made in the field over the past two years.
There are many details, such as the color selector, that we have all
agreed are far from the mark--many of these are documented in Trac,
but perhaps a collector bug would be
It depends upon what you mean. We have situations where even two
laptops connected by simple mesh fail to properly transfer data. Then
again, the failures also occur in the other 3 scenarios as well.
-walter
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
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1. Marvin Minksy has been writing a series of essays on learning. The
first three essays are available on the wiki (See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Marvin_Minsky_essays). The themes to date
include What makes Mathematics hard to learn?, Drawbacks of
Age-Based Segregation, What's wrong with the
Your scale is 1-10? 1 being low and 10 being high?
What is mesh? The transport layer?
It is curious that you think that collaboration is currently the most
tolerable feature. From what perspective? In the field, I find no
other feature that causes as much frustration to end users as the
After more than two years without a break at One Laptop per Child, I
have decided to take some time to reflect on how I can best contribute
going forward to the goal of giving children around the world
opportunities for a quality learning experience. The OLPC Association
is making headway getting
Actually, I don't recall ever approving a Turkish keyboard... The rest
of the table seems up to date as far as I know. I had been in close
contact with several groups in Turkey about 12 months ago and at the
time, they were advocating the F layout. It would certainly be easy
enough to do a Q
First of all, just to clear, Flash does run on the laptop: there is a
choice of both the Adobe Flash player and the FOSS Flash player,
Gnash. We opted to install the Gnash player by default. Many of the
problems people have with Flash are actually related to codecs rather
than the player itself.
I am not sure what you are driving at Mitch: web browsers are
available to fundamentalists of both camps. Are you suggesting that a
proprietary browser will reach more children more quickly?
-walter
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know quite a few
I certainly don't know enough about Windows to be able to answer your
question from the technical perspective. I do know that to launch an
effort to port to Windows will require resources above and beyond what
are currently available. Is that the best use of resources? There is
an argue to suggest
If you have a G1G1 machine, just use sugar-control-panel -s language
Spanish/Peru to get the laptop to use the Spanish strings but keep the
keyboard settings.
-walter
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On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL
Any interest in the themes/topics Tomeu outlined in his email about
Sugar performance? Lots of interesting things to explore that would be
of real value to the project.
-walter
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We are a group of 15 collegians,
If you insert the key after the machine boots, then it shouldn't have
been a problem having a /boot directory. A possible explanation of the
inconsistent behavior could be when in the boot process you insert the
key.
-walter
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for it (and the XO badly needs this work).
BTW if you referring to this
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-March/012033.html
or this
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2006-September/000439.html
then these are not easy and fast things either.
Walter Bender wrote:
Any
The OLPC never encouraged her to use names for her
documents, anyway;
How so? Every activity has a field for naming the activity instance
and individual documents can be named (and tagged) as in the case of
the Record activity. Further, even in the current implementation of
the Journal you can
was that joyride or the faster build?
-walter
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* More responsive UI - faster launch of activities
Is the solution currently in joyride satisfactory for the August release?
I use a recent Joyride on my G1G1. My
There has been some mention of a new community initiative to carry on
the development of Sugar. A number of community members have set up
SugarLabs.org in order to further extend Sugar. Sugar Labs will focus
on providing a software ecosystem that enhances learning on the XO
laptop as well as other
There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
months is pretty good by most measures. It is a far cry from the 100M
units that Nicholas
Don't think of it just as source code, but do think of it as a way
expose the inner workings of whatever the activity is doing. For
example, view source in the browser might take you into an HTML
editor, a Javascript editor, or the Python code for the browser itself
as a progression of steps.
Indeed, that is one of the virtues of Squeak. Python was somewhat of a
compromise in this respect, but it has the virtual that opens up ready
access to most of the rest of the GNU/Linux world.
Both are pretty friendly development environments. It is probably
easier to design an onion-like view
I don't recollect reading about any effort to pick a standard - de facto or
otherwise. Any other interpretation is revisionist history. I
Building a system that was open and discoverable was a goal from the
very beginning--we wanted to go beyond black boxes. But you are
correct is saying that
The price often quoted has been $7 for the SD card. Not sure where
that number comes from. I recall that a $19 high-speed card was used
in the original testing; at the time it was asserted that a
standard-speed card was necessary.
I don't know that this is still the case.
-walter
On Mon, May
I did come to Peru (and plan on returning as well). I did participate
in seminars to introduce the Peruvian teachers to constructionism
within the context of Sugar and the national curriculum. I did not
find these seminars to be instructionist: they were very much hands-on
(the very first thing
It is a bit more complicated than that if you want the .xol to install
in the library used by Browse on the home page. You need to add a few
bits of glue:
index.html should be a redirect as per:
html
meta http-equiv=refresh
content=0;url=file:///home/olpc/Library/YOURBUNDLENAME/YOURBUNDLECONENT
Indeed, one of the goals of Sugar Labs is to help build community
collaboration, so working together on organizing is a positive step
forward. I plan to start sending a weekly Sugar Digest out--but it
will not be comprehensive of all the OLPC comings and goings and it
will include Sugar in other
Not having seen the display, it is not obvious that intricate glyphs
will be very easy to fit legibly on a virtual keycap.
-walter
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/22/08, Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700
great idea.
-walter
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:39 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 19:40 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Finally, there is the issue of work queues. I still have no clue how to
represent, using either either Trac or the wiki, the fact that
at present, it is from the terminal that you add and run any
non-Sugarized applications, so walking them through the use of yum
would perhaps be of interest.
-walter
2008/5/30 Rodolfo Pilas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello devs!
Next week I will talk about Terminal activity for a group of school
I would like to see the link for requesting a developer key made much
more prominent in the library.
I'd like to see the pathname to downloading the key itself much more
prominent (and displayed in a larger point size) on the webpage
returned after the request is granted. For those of us with
It'd be nice to summarize these suggestions for improving the Trac
system in a ticket!!
-walter
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Garrett Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it pleases you, count the number and severity of
I would argue otherwise. Since Sugar has no control over the
robustness of the network, having some way of sharing at a basic level
from the Journal is seemingly a high priority. Half of the
high-priority bugs in the link you provide are in fact not really
Sugar bugs, but subsystem bugs. The
PS: I don't want to mess with standards, but ht_HT sounds weird for
haitian kreyol. I would expect something like kr_HT. As you know,
there are many kreyols, and kreyol from Haïti, even if it comes first
among kreyols in terms of people speaking it all over the world, is
just one of
To the extent that sugarlabs is going to operate as a true upstream,
they need to be cognizant of the fact that OLPC will at times put its
goals/process ahead of upstream's goals/process.
I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar
developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC
Sugarizing involves more than just the look and feel of the UI; in
addition to Bitfrost considerations--raised by Bert and Mikus--and the
collaboration model, there is also Journal/Datastore intergration to
consider: the trivial from of Sugarizing does not result in useful
Journal entries. So some
And they are, in fact, succeeding, even though the open source community
has largely turned its collective back on that success. Which is, I think, a
shame.
Bravo for Greg, but this is overstated: not the succeeding part, the
turning its back part.
-walter
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM,
The most typical color-blindless is a red-green confusion. Black-green
should not be an issue as this is contrast in value, not chroma.
However, the point is well taken. Some of the on-screen color
combinations may well be problematic. The general rule of thumb is to
provide at least two Munsell
The good news is that the green we use is pretty close to the peak
luminance sensitivity, maximizing the available contrast. In general,
green is a very good choice in regard to contrast to black.
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Tthe classic example of misconstruing value contrast and chromatic
contrast was when the Human Factors journal decided to switch from
black-on-white to yellow-on-white for their cover. The switch only
lasted one issue, as I recall.
We (humans) process spectral information through two distinct
I've always been an alliteration fan, but how about a noun and a
verb--after all, learning is action.
appropriate apricots
or a gerund form
appropriating apricots
-walter
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 15.07.2008 um 05:19 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso:
But was that because the codecs weren't loaded?
-walter
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You might try
www.caillou.com
or
www.moncailletdeurope.education.fr
The animations of these sites were not playable at all on the last joyride
builds with the
:(
No network after loading this build.
-walter
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Size delta: 0.00M
-kernel
It might be a good longer-term focus to see if we could get some of
the Bitfrost ideas pushed upstream rather than diluting them. It has
applicability well beyond OLPC and Sugar.
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These are suggestions with a
I'd vote that we not expend too much effort in supporting multiple
development environments in Pippy at the moment--there are so many
other high-priority things to be working on. Is there really a lot of
demand for this from the field?
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Benjamin M.
I don't think anyone would argue that we need better tools for
software development on the XO. There has been a latent Develop
activity in the works that occasionally gets a boost from the
community (want to jump in?). I would argue that a bigger stumbling
block than problems with Sugar and
instead of just turtle programs and gooey smalltalk...
Cannot let this one slip by uncommented on. Etoys is one place where
kids are doing real programming, as a means of achieving fluency about
many powerful ideas, not just syntax. But I unaware that children have
made contributions to Squeak
I left my Sinclair in the 1CC conference room. It probably qualifies as well.
-walter
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We are looking for examples of keyboards for small children
present before 1993.
Specifically, we are looking for keyboards whose
Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe
the console is enough?
-walter
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of our present security difficulties is that the Terminal activity
is not isolated. It is de-isolated so that it can
, this is really what I was asking: what
dependencies do we have for Sugar/X in normal admin tasks that require
root?
thanks.
-walter
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote:
Curious as to what occasions need root access within
not sure what the difference is between an installed activity and a
custom activity.
-walter
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Victor Lazzarini
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Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
none of my custom ones.
Victor
At 14:51 01/08/2008, Marco
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to understand what limits we'd face
using the console for root access instead of a special terminal
activity. What are the Sugar/X
The bottleneck is in the XO hardware that all of the tests run on (and
the number of tests we choose to do), rather than in hardware that we
can upgrade.
I wonder if there is some way to parallelize this across multiple XOs?
Not ever XO running every test? Presumably multiple XOs are not the
I'm including the Education list in a hope we can get some feedback as
to what class of MS-Windows programs are a high-priority. I cannot
imagine Word would be high on the list, but there are undoubtedly many
applications people are looking for...
-walter
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John
Not surprisingly, my experience on different machines with different
versions of joyride and different collections of activities installed
is that it is very inconsistent. Sometimes it just works, but often
times, it gets hung on one or two activities, e.g., for a while, it
would get stuck on
That's right, would people be interested in hearing about each failed build?
No.
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+ Windows XP suspend/resume support
Huh?
-walter
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Size delta: -0.65M
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What about the Activity manuals?
-walter
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
What follows is the flow of chapters (devised by Seth, Adam, Cynthia
and myself) for the Sugar / XO manual to (hopefully) be included on
the XO for G1G1.
Make all
Are we still so wedded to the purity of circles? Simply changing the
shape of the icon once a connection is made would go a long way. Maybe
morph into a star? or a sun? Or add the ubiquitous parens around the
icon a la the indicator light? None of these would adversely impact
the color-ID scheme.
For consideration in your testing: there are some ways to tune the
performance of Flash, such as the video playback hack described here:
http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=845.0
I don't know if there are similar hacks for improving general
performance of Flash (or Gnash) on lesser-powered
Jim took over my weekly community news digest for OLPC. It tends to
have a lot of information, not necessarily actionable, about
deployments. Alas, it tends to be more cheer leading than anything
else, where as the technical content has some depth (or at least
pointers to some depth).
-walter
On
(Actually, Sugar will also find
any nearby Macs running Avahi, but doesn't quite know
what to do with them.)
Chat between Bonjour clients works today. So the XOs know some things
to do with a MAC.
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In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of
the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These
collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a
built
I am curious: do we have a taxonomy of the various applications we are
expecting to see. Has there been a characterization of the problem we
are trying to solve? The Gimp, which is a mess in any wm, seems to be
the only example of a lots of floating little windows application
anyone ever mentions.
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The principle goal of this discussion is to make the X Activity
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In fact
technically-oriented parties involved. I have heard
echos of this from less technical users (e.g. teachers who are confused
by the behavior of the journal).
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low priority relative to these other inconsistencies.
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We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it
doesn't directly impact
Gary, this is a very helpful analysis. Thanks.
Arjun, I wonder if Measure isn't exceptional in regard to when it is
not in the foreground. I can imagine wanted to log data while doing
other things: It isn't clear it should go idle when not visible. My
naive guess would be to assume that a timer
repeatedly been subject to jailbreaks, allowing the execution of
arbitrary code ...
So we could call it a jailbreaking key...
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Turtle Art portfolio, which will become the new Turtle Art, has a label block.
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We do support a similar mechanism to what was in place on w.l.o. I'll
get it set up.
-walter
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:
Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com writes:
I tried it (from Ubuntu instead of F10) and it seems to work
flawlessly
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