Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:42:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: There are some 3dlabs and mga databooks floating around on the net but I don't know if they are legal to obtain/link to. Well, there is documentation for 3Dlabs permedia2 floating around, and i believe it is legal. They were

Re: how to build static XFree86/TinyX and Xlibs

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, [iso-8859-1] Suresh Chandra Mannava wrote: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:57:30 + (GMT) From: [iso-8859-1] Suresh Chandra Mannava [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: how to build static

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: Yeah, that would be rather problematic, but anyway, most of the things move from the XFree86 code to fbdev code, and most often, it is not code that is copied, but the register information and such. It is always easier to get specs if you are

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Shaul Karl wrote: Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that: 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP hardware. The list of vendors that freely publish their

Re: Fall back drivers?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Jerry Haltom wrote: I've been thinking about how to make X more userfriendly. Driver nvidia,vesa Is a line like this possible, or could it be a good suggestion to implement? It would allow fallback from one driver to another in case the first doesn't function. One of the

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Craig Ringer
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 19:19, Shaul Karl wrote: As for the claim that some people might give up on buying new hardware, creating a secondary market for his old hardware should compensate for it because it should give him a bigger share of the market for new hardware too. I've personally gone

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Knut J Bjuland
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Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the R300 specs under NDA. Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had them

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the R300 specs under NDA. Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the R300 specs under NDA. Is

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Ryan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: That's not entirely true... Some people do

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Tim Roberts
Knut J Bjuland wrote: It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000 works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 09:21 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: Knut J Bjuland wrote: It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Michael Taylor
Ryan Underwood wrote: On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: Matrox (82) None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong place.

Release Candidate #2 probs

2004-02-03 Thread Terry R. Friedrichsen
Just FYI, I tried to build RC 2 from a Monday-night CVS checkout on an Alpha FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE machine. The build fails, and there are lots of awful-looking warnings like: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype warning: no previous prototype for 'function-name' warning:

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:21:07PM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote: AFAIK they don't answer developer relations requests anymore for open source folks. At least I've never had a request accepted, and I've been Does any developers here have access to specs for new-ish Matrox cards like the

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:42:59PM +, Torgeir Veimo wrote: Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000 works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean nothing but 011010111010110111) of a memory image. You could probably figure out the

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Mike A. Harris wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote: where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have been unable to locate them. In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it, behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a

Re: Release Candidate #2 probs

2004-02-03 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:06:20AM -0700, Terry R. Friedrichsen wrote: Just FYI, I tried to build RC 2 from a Monday-night CVS checkout on an Alpha FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE machine. The build fails, and there are lots of awful-looking warnings like: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype

Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Alexander Stohr
Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? full specifications as the headline does say is more than just the register

PCI Express

2004-02-03 Thread John Dennis
In a few months PCI Express (PCIE) will hit the streets. My understanding is that some system vendors are building system boards without any AGP slots. As far as I know that means only an old style PCI graphics card will work (PCIE is fully compatible with PCI), or a new PCIE card. Does anybody

Re: PCI Express

2004-02-03 Thread Marc Aurele La France
On 3 Feb 2004, John Dennis wrote: In a few months PCI Express (PCIE) will hit the streets. My understanding is that some system vendors are building system boards without any AGP slots. As far as I know that means only an old style PCI graphics card will work (PCIE is fully compatible with

Re: [Dri-devel] GL_VERSION 1.5 when indirect rendering?

2004-02-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Andreas Stenglein wrote: after setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 glxinfo shows OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 6.0 but doesnt show all extensions necessary for OpenGL 1.5 An application only checking for GL_VERSION 1.5 would probably fail. Any idea what would happen with libGL.so / libGLcore.a

Xserver and Display driver dependency?

2004-02-03 Thread shashank jogalekar
Hi all, I was analyzing a Xserver crash on my SuSE system and found that it was because of xf4vnc hooking into xserver and display driver. I tried to understand how xserver and display driver work with each other but confused a lot in it. Can anybody explain me how they actually work and