Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Mike A. Harris
On 17 Jul 2003, William Suetholz wrote: When are the various different patches out there for ATI cards going to be integrated into XFree86 and DRI? I know of at least two different projects that are modifying these drivers. I'm not sure what specific patches you're refering to, but if

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 05:57:50AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: What's the deal with ATI's drivers? The binary ones, or the open source ones? Either way, your question isn't very clear. What's the deal doesn't mean a lot. I think you are exagerating, it was perfectly clear what he did

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Peter \Firefly\ Lund
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: Why do these companies not open source their complete drivers? Because they have intellectual property in their drivers that As if their concurent where not capable of reverse engineering the ^ competition somehow English chose

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:44:46PM +0200, Peter Firefly Lund wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: Why do these companies not open source their complete drivers? Because they have intellectual property in their drivers that As if their concurent where not capable of reverse

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Tim Roberts
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:25:16 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Maybe they could have the whole X driver and kernel module in open source, and only keep the opengl library as proprietary stuff. I more or less doubt they have any IP involved in these part, at least some really meaningfull stuff.

how to set geometry for a window (from other program)?

2003-07-18 Thread Andriy Rysin
Hi, I use twm and have to put initial window of mozilla into 0,0 position. But there's a bug in mozilla - it ignores geometry setting - this bug is filed but still not fixed. I did not find any means to set x,y in twm, so the question is whether there is a way to set geometry of window with

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread William Suetholz
Hello, Thank you all on the list for your responses.. It has been interesting. Mr. Harris, yes I am one of Those people who want a device to work in my chosen operating system, and have been frustrated that while things have gotten a bit better than they were in 1998, the OS and users that

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 06:09:44PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote: Ironically, the Linux desktop community doesn't target the only potential business case there is. It's often at odds with it. Workstation users like a platform that doesn't change and anything that risks damaging OpenGL

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
TR Unfortunately, interesting and meaningful are NOT among the TR criteria used by the US Patent and Trademark Office in awarding TR patents. The European Parliament intends to discuss in September Arlene McCarthy's bill that aims to put European patent law in step with its American counterpart.