[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
ers > > > > Summary should always been on Browse Freenet page, yes. > > Summary should be on all the pages in the status bar. The browse page is > *not* > the freenet homepage, it is intended for browsing. We could have a homepage > though, but we need to separate it from the browse page. We don't want to > confuse the user, so we can't mix different functions in the same page. I don't understand what you expect us to put on a homepage. IMHO when a newbie installs a node they want to use Freenet, and the best way to do that is to browse and search Freenet. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/be9b6bb4/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread xor
ople to see their posts until someone is actually interested, because if only 10 people see them, it is very likely that not a single one will read the posts and give trust. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/9acce429/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
od at keeping track of all the bits and pieces of text we need to keep track for each issue, and it's good for tracking the relationships between issues, but I'm not sure it's good at keeping stuff in priority order. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/caaaf87c/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
s that if Alice is calculating her trust web, > > and Bob has recently removed Sam from his trust list, then when Alice > > is propagating trust through Bob's node, she starts by requiring one > > unit of flow go to Sam before anyone else on the list, but that that > > unit of flow has no effect on Alice's computation of Sam's > > trustworthiness. Or, equivalently, Bob's connection to the supersink > > is sized as (1 + number of recently un-trusted identities) rather than > > the normal constant 1. That allows Bob to manage his trust list in a > > prompt fashion, but if he removes people from it then he is prevented > > from adding new people to replace them too rapidly. The definition of > > "recent" could be tweaked as well, possibly something like only 1 > > identity gets removed from the recent list per time period, rather > > than a fixed window during which any removed id counts as recently > > removed. > > Ok. > > At this point I think we are in sufficient agreement that I would like some > input from p0s... > I've sent my input some posts higher in the thread hierarchy today. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/80f4a5c4/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
advogato, if we are the community and want to mark > Y as the root of evil? > > xor -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/c6b5869e/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Clément
Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:52:00, xor a ?crit : > On Friday 22 May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Cl?ment wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > First, let's see the current situation : > > > > > > > > > #Navigation : > > > > > > 9 items is really the max we can

[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Clément
Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:58:17, xor a ?crit : > ( > In general, currently the list of usability issues I have filed can be seen > there: > > https://bugs.freenetproject.org/roadmap_page.php > ) > > On Friday 22 May 2009 18:31:46 Cl?ment wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > First, let's see the current

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
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[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread xor
> > no? > > I would assume that's the normal case. OTOH, there isn't much harm in > implementing it, and if some people use it, that would help > somewhat... Perhaps implement, but not required for initial release? Multiple trust lists are in fact planned, and in fact not planned for the next release: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3067 -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/b4c1365f/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM, xor wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 23:19:53 Evan Daniel wrote: >> 2009/5/26 xor : >> > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: >> >> On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: >> >> > > Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my

[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
er promising to put right any mistakes once notified and > disclaiming all further liabilities might avoid that problem. > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090526/654bb646/attachment.html>

[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM, xor wrote: > On Friday 22 May 2009 16:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote: >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland >> >> wrote: >> > On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbackde at googlemail.com wrote: >> >> Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
2009/5/26 xor : > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: >> On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: >> > > Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my >> > > question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are >> > > obtained by taking them from

[freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, xor wrote: > On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: >> >> > >> > Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my >> > question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are >> > obtained by taking them from trust lists of

[freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread xor
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[freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Ian Clarke
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[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Florent Daignière
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[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Ximin Luo
Matthew Toseland wrote: > On one prior occasion (this year), we have authorised a mailing list archive > site to remove messages posted by somebody. I have now had another mail > asking for us to remove somebody's name from two archives which we don't run > - which generally requires him asking

[freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] The installer is NOT signed

2009-05-26 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Monday, 25. May 2009 13:53:45 Florent Daigni?re wrote: > And we learnt about it ... Yesterday. Great! We NEED to find a better > way to get feedback from users. Couldn't a bug report function be integrated directly into the web-interface? Upper-right corner, a little bug icon with the text

Re: [freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Florent Daignière
* Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org [2009-05-26 00:56:22]: On one prior occasion (this year), we have authorised a mailing list archive site to remove messages posted by somebody. I have now had another mail asking for us to remove somebody's name from two archives which we don't

Re: [freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:00:57 Ximin Luo wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: On one prior occasion (this year), we have authorised a mailing list archive site to remove messages posted by somebody. I have now had another mail asking for us to remove somebody's name from two archives which we

[freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread xor
I've spent some hours reading random very-old (years!) issues in the bug tracker which are still open, and it seems that we have very very many issues which are actually fixed but have not been closed. I consider it as crucial for efficient software development to have a CLEAR

Re: [freenet-dev] Policy on removing people from mailing list archives?

2009-05-26 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
To avoid this problem, I chose to use an anonymous address. Others should do the same. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 01:00:57 Ximin Luo wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: On one prior occasion (this year), we have

Re: [freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 21:20:46 Florent Daignière wrote: * Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org [2009-05-23 20:43:56]: sashee is working on making the web interface more dynamic. Google Web Toolkit will be used to translate some java code into javascript, and then this generated

Re: [freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 13:24:36 xor wrote: I've spent some hours reading random very-old (years!) issues in the bug tracker which are still open, and it seems that we have very very many issues which are actually fixed but have not been closed. Big deal. Yes we should mark fixed bugs as

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 24 May 2009 17:30:00 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Sunday, 24. May 2009 16:52:00 xor wrote: Full ACK. Friends page HAS to be separate to encourage users to establish darknet connections. Maybe we should even write something about Freenet becoming faster with more friend

Re: [freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 13:24:36 xor wrote: I've spent some hours reading random very-old (years!) issues in the bug tracker which are still open, and it seems that we have very very many issues which are

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Saturday 23 May 2009 21:11:59 Evan Daniel wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: I have been watching this debate an I

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are obtained by taking them from trust lists of known identities. An attacker therefore could put 100

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Clément
Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:58:17, xor a écrit : ( In general, currently the list of usability issues I have filed can be seen there: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/roadmap_page.php ) On Friday 22 May 2009 18:31:46 Clément wrote: Hi all, First, let's see the current situation :

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Clément
Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:52:00, xor a écrit : On Friday 22 May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Clément wrote: Hi all, First, let's see the current situation : #Navigation : 9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are obtained by taking them from trust lists of known

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Friday 15 May 2009 00:14:52 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009 17:33:29 Evan Daniel wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: IMHO these are not solutions to the contexts problem -- it merely shifts the balance between

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Friday 22 May 2009 16:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists? I thought that is the

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are obtained by taking them from trust lists of

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
2009/5/26 xor x...@gmx.li: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my question. The general problem my post is about: New identities are obtained by taking them from

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 16:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Is'nt his point that the users just

Re: [freenet-dev] Cleaning up the bug tracker

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 19:24:35 Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 13:24:36 xor wrote: I've spent some hours reading random very-old (years!) issues in the bug tracker which are still open, and

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 23:19:53 Evan Daniel wrote: 2009/5/26 xor x...@gmx.li: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it answers my question. The general problem my post is

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 21:13:12 Clément wrote: Le dimanche 24 mai 2009 16:52:00, xor a écrit : On Friday 22 May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Clément wrote: Hi all, First, let's see the current situation : #Navigation : 9

Re: [freenet-dev] The installer is NOT signed

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 25 May 2009 12:53:45 Florent Daignière wrote: After reading the rants of a user complaining about javaws not working on #freenet, I decided to try it out: $wget https://checksums.freenetproject.org/cc/new_installer_offline.jar $jarsigner -verify new_installer_offline_1211.jar

Re: [freenet-dev] The installer is NOT signed

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 25 May 2009 22:30:17 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Monday, 25. May 2009 13:53:45 Florent Daignière wrote: And we learnt about it ... Yesterday. Great! We NEED to find a better way to get feedback from users. Couldn't a bug report function be integrated directly into the

[freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7 build 1211, 1212

2009-05-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
Freenet 0.7 build 1212 is now available. Please upgrade. 1211 changelog: - Improve various text strings, including the search button and the config page section titles. - Fix adding noderefs that included the text End e.g. in an ARK key. - Minor changes to the salted hash datastore (related to

Re: [freenet-dev] The installer is NOT signed

2009-05-26 Thread xor
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 00:22:57 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Monday 25 May 2009 22:30:17 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Monday, 25. May 2009 13:53:45 Florent Daignière wrote: And we learnt about it ... Yesterday. Great! We NEED to find a better way to get feedback from users.

Re: [freenet-dev] Question about an important design decision of the WoT plugin

2009-05-26 Thread Evan Daniel
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 23:19:53 Evan Daniel wrote: 2009/5/26 xor x...@gmx.li: On Tuesday 26 May 2009 22:02:37 xor wrote: On Thursday 07 May 2009 11:23:51 Evan Daniel wrote: Why exactly? Your post is nice but I do not see how it

Re: [freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-26 Thread Daniel Cheng
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Saturday 23 May 2009 21:20:46 Florent Daignière wrote: * Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org [2009-05-23 20:43:56]: sashee is working on making the web interface more dynamic. Google Web Toolkit