[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 00:44:59 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > >> Is it? ?When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they think I'm referring > >> to the person that employs a lawyer. ?I think the least confusing term to > >> use in this

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 11:48:35 Theodore Hong wrote: > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: > >> > ?"Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because > >> > client is the common word.

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-25 Thread Zero3
Ian Clarke skrev: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05 AM, xor mailto:xor at gmx.li>> > wrote: > > We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to > use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins > which > use it - I've worked with it for

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 11:48:35 Theodore Hong wrote: Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote:  Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-25 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 00:44:59 Ian Clarke wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Is it?  When I talk to non-techies about a client they think I'm referring to the person that employs a lawyer.  I think the least confusing term to use

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 22:05:18 schrieb Robert Hailey: > > "The Freenet software running on your computer" is probably what I > > would use to describe what "node" means to non-techy users. > > Couldn't it just use "Your computer is downloading this page from > > Freenet", that's what people

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Caco Patane
> It creates a problem in Germany, since we also have a hosting company named > freenet. I've got Google Alerts running on 'freenet' and 90%+ of each day results are from the german ISP/Hosting company, I think we can't do anything about it. =/ I saw that Freenet's website has the verify code of

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Theodore Hong
Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: >> > ?"Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because >> > client is the common word. >> >> Is it? ?When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 00:44:59 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > >> Is it? ?When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they think I'm referring > >> to the person that employs a lawyer. ?I think the least confusing term to > >> use in this

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Theodore Hong
Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote:  Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is the common word. Is it?  When I talk to non-techies

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 22:05:18 schrieb Robert Hailey: The Freenet software running on your computer is probably what I would use to describe what node means to non-techy users. Couldn't it just use Your computer is downloading this page from Freenet, that's what people want to know,

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Caco Patane
It creates a problem in Germany, since we also have a hosting company named freenet. I've got Google Alerts running on 'freenet' and 90%+ of each day results are from the german ISP/Hosting company, I think we can't do anything about it. =/ I saw that Freenet's website has the verify code of

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-24 Thread Zero3
Ian Clarke skrev: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05 AM, xor x...@gmx.li mailto:x...@gmx.li wrote: We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which use it - I've worked with it for

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Bush
Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: >> >> >>> "Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because >>> client is the common word. >>> >> Is it? When I talk to non-techies

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Robert Hailey wrote: > Yea, but Matthew's language has a more technically-accurate flavor (as > "your node" implies the distributed nature of freenet, whereas > "freenet is downloading" makes it sound like a monolithic entity). Technically accurate flavor is

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> Is it? ?When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they think I'm referring >> to the person that employs a lawyer. ?I think the least confusing term to >> use in this context may be "software". >> > Very clumbersome. How would you

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: > > > "Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because > > client is the common word. > > Is it? When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they think I'm referring > to the

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Robert Hailey
On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Mike Bush wrote: > Matthew Toseland wrote: >> On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: >>> >>> "Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because client is the common word.

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
t: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05 AM, xor wrote: > > > We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to > use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which > u

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is the common word. Is it? When I talk to non-techies about a client they think I'm referring to the

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Bush
Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is the common word. Is it? When I talk to non-techies about a client

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Robert Hailey
On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Mike Bush wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 00:05:40 Ian Clarke wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is the common word. Is it? When I

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Is it?  When I talk to non-techies about a client they think I'm referring to the person that employs a lawyer.  I think the least confusing term to use in this context may be software. Very clumbersome. How

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Robert Hailey rob...@freenetproject.org wrote: Yea, but Matthew's language has a more technically-accurate flavor (as your node implies the distributed nature of freenet, whereas freenet is downloading makes it sound like a monolithic entity). Technically

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 24 April 2009 00:44:59 Ian Clarke wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Is it?  When I talk to non-techies about a client they think I'm referring to the person that employs a lawyer.  I think the least confusing term to use

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread xor
_ From: devl-boun...@freenetproject.org [mailto:devl-bounces at freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Ian Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:58 PM To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor wrote: > "Node" should really be replaced with "Client" *everywhere* because > client is the common word. > Is it? When I talk to non-techies about a "client" they think I'm referring to the person that employs a lawyer. I think the least confusing term

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread sashee
ment issues >> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability >> >> Hi xor! >> >> As I'm the GSoC student who will be working on the web >> interface this summer, I feel I'm the one to respond. >> My proposal is not on plain re

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread xor
> -Original Message- > From: devl-bounces at freenetproject.org > [mailto:devl-bounces at freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of sashee > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:25 PM > To: Discussion of development issues > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 22 April 2009 12:05:51 xor wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I have followed all the discussions about writing a new web interface and I > would like to state my opinion on that: > > We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to > use, works well, is sufficient,

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread sashee
Hi xor! As I'm the GSoC student who will be working on the web interface this summer, I feel I'm the one to respond. My proposal is not on plain rewriting the current GUI, and make it different, but to make it more dynamic. It primarily means introducing server pushing, and it just means, that

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread xor
Hi folks, I have followed all the discussions about writing a new web interface and I would like to state my opinion on that: We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which use it - I've worked

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05 AM, xor wrote: > We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to > use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which > use it - I've worked with it for WoT and Freetalk and it was fun. > I hope this is true, but I'm

[freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread xor
Hi folks, I have followed all the discussions about writing a new web interface and I would like to state my opinion on that: We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which use it - I've worked

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread sashee
Hi xor! As I'm the GSoC student who will be working on the web interface this summer, I feel I'm the one to respond. My proposal is not on plain rewriting the current GUI, and make it different, but to make it more dynamic. It primarily means introducing server pushing, and it just means, that

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread xor
-Original Message- From: devl-boun...@freenetproject.org [mailto:devl-boun...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of sashee Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:25 PM To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability Hi xor

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread sashee
current web interface and its usability Hi xor! As I'm the GSoC student who will be working on the web interface this summer, I feel I'm the one to respond. My proposal is not on plain rewriting the current GUI, and make it different, but to make it more dynamic. It primarily means

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 22 April 2009 12:05:51 xor wrote: Hi folks, I have followed all the discussions about writing a new web interface and I would like to state my opinion on that: We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to use, works well, is sufficient, and it is

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:05 AM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: We DO NOT need a new web interface. Our current web interface is easy to use, works well, is sufficient, and it is also easy to write plugins which use it - I've worked with it for WoT and Freetalk and it was fun. I hope this is true,

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, xor x...@gmx.li wrote: Node should really be replaced with Client *everywhere* because client is the common word. Is it? When I talk to non-techies about a client they think I'm referring to the person that employs a lawyer. I think the least confusing term

Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web interface and its usability

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 22 April 2009 21:17:16 xor wrote: _ From: devl-boun...@freenetproject.org [mailto:devl-boun...@freenetproject.org] On Behalf Of Ian Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:58 PM To: Discussion of development issues Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Our current web