On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 15:54:40 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
This is the specification for the D Programming Language.
I've been bitten by that a few times over the years, though to
be honest, I'm not sure of the relationship of the spec to
documentation. The Phobos documentation and
On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 19:00:16 UTC, Richard (Rikki)
Andrew Cattermole wrote:
So LDC with druntime and yes GC turned on is good enough right
now that you can probably make it work without too much effort.
You don't necessarily have to limit yourself to -betterC.
In fact if you don't,
On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 03:54:40PM +, bachmeier via Digitalmars-d-learn
wrote:
> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 08:48:34 UTC, Tamas wrote:
[...]
> > This is the specification for the D Programming Language.
>
> I've been bitten by that a few times over the years, though to be
> honest, I'm
On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 08:48:34 UTC, Tamas wrote:
I appreciate all of this... however, as a newcomer, I wish the
docs were simply more honest, instead of representing wishful
thinking. I guess in any programming language, experience
reveals things not present in the docs, but it seems
On 05/02/2023 10:01 PM, Tamas wrote:
On the surface, betterC seems to be perfect for this case. How would YOU
do it (Adam, Richard)?
BtW, gstreamer also has D bindings, and maybe in the future I'll use
those. I suspect that Adam's suggestions have a stronger relevance to
that case, right?
On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 00:27:19 UTC, Richard (Rikki)
Andrew Cattermole wrote:
On 05/02/2023 1:20 PM, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
Even module imports can fail because betterC disables
outputting the module data info, even if it would otherwise be
required by language rules, despite it not using
On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 00:20:24 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
There's a lot of things described in the documentation that
don't actually work. D can be an *extremely* productive
language if you know which parts to focus on, but most the
newer hyped features just don't deliver.
The table of
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 19:44:15 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:29:41 UTC, Tamas wrote:
What's the reason to prefer LDC over DMD?
Anyone that cares about performance will use LDC rather than
DMD. It's hard to imagine a case where someone would want
betterC
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:40:51 UTC, Tamas wrote:
I do take your word for it, but now I have to re-evaluate my
expectations towards D and perhaps use it for another project.
I've got most of my project working in C already, but I was
hoping to add some safety and better
On 05/02/2023 1:20 PM, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
Even module imports can fail because betterC disables outputting the
module data info, even if it would otherwise be required by language
rules, despite it not using the druntime.
This only affects you if you use full D to interact with -betterC
In betterC mode you don't have access to the standard library or
the runtime
You can only access the libc functions
Basically the modules from: ``import core.stdc``
So for your example, just do like you'd do in C
As simple as that
As for DMD/LDC, easy:
DMD: reference compiler, fast
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 19:49:41 UTC, bachmeier wrote:
I'm not sure what Adam's getting at when he says "hopelessly
broken" but it's basically a subset of D.
You're almost guaranteed to hit some wall with it and have no
solution. Some of these are bugs but some of them are by design;
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:40:51 UTC, Tamas wrote:
It is hopelessly broken, but thankfully, it also brings zero
benefit, so simply not using it is a viable path forward.
I do take your word for it, but now I have to re-evaluate my
expectations towards D and perhaps use it for another
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:29:41 UTC, Tamas wrote:
What's the reason to prefer LDC over DMD?
Anyone that cares about performance will use LDC rather than DMD.
It's hard to imagine a case where someone would want betterC to
avoid the GC, but they wouldn't want to use LDC. When I
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:27:34 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:11:05 UTC, Tamas wrote:
Well, as I'm new to D this isn't something I have insight into.
Then you'd probably be better off taking my word for it (or
even trusting your own limited experience
On 05/02/2023 7:29 AM, Tamas wrote:
What's the reason to prefer LDC over DMD?
DMD is currently a write off for DLL support (some things do work, but
its very easy to hit situations that don't).
I've been looking into this for the past year, implemented some things
in dub to get it to work,
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 16:51:36 UTC, Richard (Rikki)
Andrew Cattermole wrote:
You don't have access to druntime/Phobos stuff at runtime.
SimpleDllMain is for initializing and uninitializing druntime.
See:
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 18:11:05 UTC, Tamas wrote:
Well, as I'm new to D this isn't something I have insight into.
Then you'd probably be better off taking my word for it (or even
trusting your own limited experience where things worked until
you added the switch) and just not using
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I'm happy to see 2 replies so
quickly.
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 17:26:17 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote:
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 16:45:31 UTC, Tamas wrote:
export extern (C) void main()
mixin SimpleDllMain;
No need to ever mix two mains together, the
On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 16:45:31 UTC, Tamas wrote:
and they compile without `-betterC`, but fail with link errors
when using the switch.
then don't use the switch lol
-betterC is barely supported and completely useless so better to
just not use it.
export extern (C) void main()
You don't have access to druntime/Phobos stuff at runtime.
SimpleDllMain is for initializing and uninitializing druntime.
See:
https://github.com/Project-Sidero/basic_memory/blob/main/source/sidero/base/dllmain.d
You want to only use ldc atm. The defaults right now should most likely
"just
Hi,
I'm new to D and trying my hands on a few simple things. Being
able to build a Windows DLL with betterC enabled is of particular
interest to me, as I'd need it for a project that I'd like to do
in D.
I'm trying to follow some examples, such as
[this](https://wiki.dlang.org
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