Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread bruce mallon
Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere

RE: [digitalradio] Efficient spectrum usage

2006-10-25 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
But that's how DX works... Walt/K5YFW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Douglas Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:20 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Efficient spectrum usage Yes, and at the

[digitalradio] How we got to where we are

2006-10-25 Thread KV9U
Danny and Andy, Those of us in more rural areas do have a lot more difficulty finding others with similar interests. I was interested in electronics by age 12, when I stumbled upon it when I saw Popular Electronics Magazine during a summer spent in Riviera Beach, FL. But I did not know any

[digitalradio] 3kHz or 500Hz Re: Updates on effect of FCC RO

2006-10-25 Thread jgorman01
Wait a minute, you were the one that said that 100's of hams could use one 10 kHz wide channel to communicate, not me! Quote from your message: ... So when you transmit on this 10kHz wide HF channel, from your perspective you are in a clear one-to-one QSO with another Ham, sort of like using

[digitalradio] Re: Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread Jerry W
I think there are to many other activities for hams now, and hams don't get on the air much as in the past. Maybe complacency? There are thirty six two meter repeaters listed in on the Repeater Directory in the twin city area of Minnesota. Out of those, maybe four are somewhat active. The

Re: [digitalradio] Efficient spectrum usage

2006-10-25 Thread Danny Douglas
No- that how DX gets confused. It works confusedly. If you are a DX station, you need to control what the others are doing. Saying UP is not the way to do it. Saying UP 3 TO 10 is. Or better yet: UP 3, DOWN 2, DOWN 3, UP 1, etc. That keeps the whole gang of callers from being on one exact

[digitalradio] Re: Digital basics ? ALC ?

2006-10-25 Thread jgorman01
First, it ignores all the empirical evidence to the contrary. This alone would make the statement suspect. Second, it ignores the different methods and implementations of ALC in different transmitters. One of the first effects of ALC is the imposition of an amplitude modulation on the RF

[digitalradio] Re: Digital basics ? ALC ?

2006-10-25 Thread aa5jc
alright to let the transmitter ALC line operate on PSK31. It has been my experience that when ALC action is allowed for PSK31, the IMD reading will get significantly worse. Another danger that was discussed on FT-817 group was that there are sometimes fixed gain audio amplifiers in front of

RE: [digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Ed, Nobody said it is available now, only that a solution is possible. Bob even pointed out that any solution may be too expensive anyway. If we can pause for a minute and stop thinking in strictly analog terms, then it is clear a solution is possible. For example, I work in a virtual sea

[digitalradio] QEX ?

2006-10-25 Thread bruce mallon
This one is easy .. AGAIN you bypassed the users no one I know of reads either of them and as for ALL MODES did ANYONE even think what 50.400 is used for world wide ?? I have a big gripe with the ARRL they know full well that there are AM users and nets also how are you identifing your

RE: [digitalradio] QEX ?

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Bruce, Who did you say SMIRK was again? Just kidding! Yes, we are using an established 6M calling frequency for a TEST. Don't you do that sometimes too? Besides, it's the only portion of the band that is classified as ALL MODE. Nobody uses Ancient Modulation (AM) anymore anyway, right?

RE: [digitalradio] QEX ?

2006-10-25 Thread bruce mallon
and a band width of 6 khz? since the ARRL says only one station in 6 land was licensed .. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket.

RE: [digitalradio] QEX ?

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Bruce, No, the bandwidth is 200 kHz, not 6 kHz. And yes, only one station in 6-land is licensed at this time. KD6OZH will do one-way transmissions using his cell phone to RC the OFDM transmitter while he drives around the county recroding the transmissions. John From: bruce mallon [EMAIL

Re: [digitalradio] Digital basics ? ALC ?

2006-10-25 Thread Jose A. Amador
Andrew O'Brien wrote: I found this quote today, anyone care to comment ? Although it is a common belief to the contrary, it is in fact quite alright to let the transmitter ALC line operate on PSK31. The ALC line will control the drive level without clipping in the same way that it

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread bruce mallon
You still don't get it it's not me you need to be talking to go post this on 6 meter user groups websites and see if they agree with you . --- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread larry allen
Can you give me the name of some 6 meter user groups? Larry ve3fxq - Original Message - From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes You still

[digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-25 Thread jgorman01
Actually, the statement that a solution is possible is unproven. A more accurate one might be that a solution may be possible. However, 802.11 is NOT a good example to use in citing how it might be done! The statement about 802.11 doesn't tell the whole story, not by a long shot. These types

[digitalradio] PLEASE GUYS

2006-10-25 Thread John Becker
We need to start trimming our replays. There is not need to re-post a message for the 3rd, 4th or more times. Remember - those that live in the rural area may not have too big of a in box. Thanks. John Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread KV9U
I am not sure how many high powered, high gain antenna stations there are out there, but it does not seem to be an area of growth like it was at one time. With 100 watts and a good beam, it should be easy to work a similar station from my QTH to the Twin Cities (~ 150 miles). You would think

[digitalradio] Re: Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread Jerry W
Rick, that many of the new entrants do not have that zeal or desire to put resources into such activities. That is about it in a nutshell. Most techs buy a two meter FM radio. You hear them on the local repeaters for maybe a month or so and then disappear into the woodwork. After that

[digitalradio] HF SSTV Digital from Space

2006-10-25 Thread Radioguy
HF, Digital TV Operation from Space on the ARISS Horizon ISS SSTV system development coordinator Miles Mann, WF1F NEWINGTON, CT, Oct 25, 2006 -- Plans to deploy an HF transceiver and a digital TV system in space were among the highlights of the Amateur Radio on the International Space

[digitalradio] Re: HF SSTV Digital from Space

2006-10-25 Thread Jerry W
What about the APRS digipeater? This post does not mention why it was shut down or if it is going to be activated again? This was the most easy of the modes to work on ISS for everyone, very short transmission times, most were able to get in and digipeat. The FM repeater was a complete mistake

[digitalradio] PAX2 (MultiPSK)

2006-10-25 Thread John Bradley
0030Z beaconing 5 minute intervals on 7075.5 USB, power 50 watts. Beacon active until 0300Z , evening of Oct 25 Please try connecting to my station, and leave me a signal report john VE5MU __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread kd4e
Can you give me the name of some 6 meter user groups? Larry ve3fxq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector :

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread wa7nwp
Unlike other modes, digital can offer time shifting through such things as BBS store and forward capabilities that allow you to check in when it is convenient for you. The downside of this is that you lose the comaraderie that develops on CW and voice nets. Amateur Radio Digital has an

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread wa7nwp
It's not only the current users that are important but the future users. What about the potential amateurs in Jr High School. How do we make the bands useful for them? I suggest the question is not if they will be using them in the future, but under which regulations - Part 97 or Part 15.

[digitalradio] ARRL Proposal: CW and Digital on 5MHz at 100W

2006-10-25 Thread expeditionradio
A new ARRL proposal to FCC petitions for 100W ERP and more mode flexibility in the 5MHz amateur radio channels. Among other things, it proposes to add =2.8kHz bandwidth digital signals, combined with ...care to limit the length of transmissions so as to avoid interference with Federal operations.

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL Proposal: CW and Digital on 5MHz at 100W

2006-10-25 Thread Danny Douglas
I would certainly support that. Especially if we are given digital mode capability on one or more channels. I would assume that means that more than one signal can come up on a channel, with, for instance, PSK. I have monitored those channels several times, and yet to hear anyone on them at

[digitalradio] PAX2

2006-10-25 Thread John Bradley
Picked a lousy night to try this, all the RF left my antenna and just piled up on the grass.have to rake it up in the AM. :) Anyone else up for trying PAX2, ,beacon and/or responder enabled? this mode has some promise. will check on condx tomorrow night on 40 and 80, and see

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Everybody...please stop griping about the ARRL! They don't invent this stuff to have something to keep them up at night. Actions are almost always taken only as the result of member requests. When was the last time you wrote to your Director with a suggestion? NEVER, is my guess! Maybe ONCE is

Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes

2006-10-25 Thread John Champa
Bruce, I get it. Chill out. It's only one test station in California, so why bother?! Besides he scanned the frequency range for weeks prior to testing, and heard nothing at all...zip, nada. Of course, the band wasn't open then either. In addition, I rather doubt an AM station would even