Well stated, John!
John - K8OCL
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From: John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Movement toward open digital software?
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:13:52 -0600
I First of all ,
And Linux *still* doesn't have
a decent email/productivity application that rivals Outlook.
de Peter K1PGV
Is Horde a Linux-compatible app?
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Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E
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Projects: http://ham-macguyver.bibleseven.com
Personal:
IMHO, this KISS (Keep it simple,stupid) principle that microsoft adhered
to would be something for linnux to examine, in order to survive beyond
cult status
my 2 cents John VE5MU
This was true several years ago but has become
increasingly un-true with every passing day.
I am
The last distribution I bought, SUSE 9.3, was very easy to install and
most everything worked. Adding some programs was easy, some were
hard. I wanted to use my PC with my IPOD Shuffle and getting ITunes
replacement software working was difficult because I had to retrieve
and compile several
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From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only thing that stands between Linux and the
common user today is friends-of-MS who refuse to
make drivers (or driver info) available for Linux
and programmers who are inadequately competent
to make their apps cross-platform
Hi!
Jim has hited the proverbial nail:
*I had to retrieve and compile several libraries.*
for most of us without the necessary knowledge of building and compiling
libraries, things can be difficult and can cause loss of motivation. Been
there done that!
regards
On 1/12/07, jgorman01 [EMAIL
But wasn't the greatest need also brought about by the licensing of IBM
cloned computers built to run DOS and Windows?
Charles, K0CW
John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well stated, John!
John - K8OCL
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From: John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This really isn't hard. There were only three commands to use:
'./configure', 'make', and 'make install' to compile and install the
libraries. The hard part was doing the internet searches to find the
correct versions. This isn't really any more difficult than searching
the internet to find the
And if there is a move toward Linux by a larger group of hams, then I'm sure
that the ARRL or someone else would start storing the old libraries that make
an applications run.
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
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Sent:
Simon,
I want to thank you again for your plan to make your new software open
source.
A problem with some ham software is that it becomes abandoned for one
reason or another, and either gradually bitrots (this finding the old
library problem) or suddenly stops workiing, and the original
Hi,
I am *not* making it open source, only the decoding DLL's. The UI will never
be open source as it uses copyrighted code.
I do have a backup programmer should anything happen to me though.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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From: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Again we must be careful in comparing keyboard to keyboard modes with file
transmission modes or E-Mail modes (which is a file transferring mode). We are
back to apples and oranges.
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KV9U
Sent:
MT63 2.2 KHz/20/ch/sec = 110 KHz-sec
Should be
MT63 2.2 KHz/20/ch/sec = 110 Hz-sec
2200/20 = 110
Isn't it more meaningful to say that for each 110 Hz of bandwidth, you get one
character? But since MT63 uses interleaving to obtain error free copy and not
ARQ,
I think that 10 seconds or longer is a poor use of on-the-air time unless its a
very robust FEC mode. Also, as many who have observed, the ionosphere can
change much in 10-20 seconds.
Walt/K5YFW
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
If you want to learn how to program your talkie, you must you must crack open
the operting manual andlearn the basic operating principles of your talkie and
then roll up your sleeves and build and program is using what you have learned.
Didn't you just say that Dave?
Or, you can load software
Ah, thank you cor clarifying it. I don't mean to start a rumor. But I
still think your decision is an important and exemplary one.
Leigh.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 7:53 am, Simon Brown wrote:
Hi,
I am *not* making it open source, only the decoding DLL's. The UI will
never
be open source as it
That's fairly simple. It just takes to make a static build.
Inconveniences: It generates much larger code.
Nevertheless, may be an option. If the codesmith would care for
releasing both static and dynamic linked programs, there would be a
solution for all.
That's what Mozilla does, as sake of
It was an MS vs Apple battle not MS vs Unix. Or perhaps MS DOS vs IBM PCDOS.
MS developed Windows and IBM didn't have an equal. So MS kind of got it bby
default.
IMHO, had the U.S. gobernment went with Apple rather than MS, then IBM might
have entered the windows (GUI) market and things
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My main criticism of Linux is that is has horrific fonts that are not
comparable to Windows fonts and the Linux folks try and make believe
that this is not a problem
I'm not going to dispute your assertion, but I don't
See my previous comment on drivers. If MS would allow hardware manfacturers to
freely write drivers for their equipment, then Linux programmers wouldn't have
to write driver code from scratch and you wouldn't have to compile their
libraries.
Walt/K5YFW
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From:
No or not much collaboration in the ham software world Simon.
If hams who write software would collaborate more, I think you would see more
and better applications for MS and Linux.
Walt/K5YFW
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
If you don't care about the history of Windows vs Unix, you can hit
delete now. This has nothing to do with ham radio as far as I can tell.
It was an MS vs Apple battle not MS vs Unix. Or perhaps MS
DOS vs IBM PCDOS. MS developed Windows and IBM didn't have an
equal. So MS kind of got
For some reason I can't get the latest information on PSKMail...actually
I think the pskmail.org URL and some others are being blocked. The last
I info I have is from Rein is dated Aug 2005.
Am I correct in that PSKMail is now using PSK125 and FLDigi?
I would appreciate direct E-Mail of specs
I went from IBM's PCDOS to Linux in Aug of 1991 and never run and MS at home.
My XYL does have a XP Laptop but I don't use it.
I've only run two Linux distros for my main home computer...RedHat and
Mandrake. I have SuSe loaded on a second computer but may try Puppy Linux or
Debian on it
Hi!
Just my 2 cents:
*Apple had no role in any of these industry defining machinations. The
only place they were on the map at ALL was in desktop publishing (which
they continued to dominate for years).
*
And still do! lol
Regards
On 1/12/07, Peter G. Viscarola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I agree with some of your views, for those of us who followed this
very closely, it was definitely the cost of the OS that made it
impossible for anyone to buy Xenix as a good example at $1000. It just
was not something the average user would pay for, nor would the OEM's
have this
At 12:13 PM 1/12/2007, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote:
For some reason I can't get the latest information on PSKMail...actually
I think the pskmail.org URL and some others are being blocked. The last
I info I have is from Rein is dated Aug 2005.
Am I correct in that PSKMail is now using
I have looked at and sometimes used a number of Linux distributions,
some in the past few weeks in terms of Live CD and DVD:
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Mandriva, openSUSE, MEPIS, Freespire.
None have the quality fonts of MS Windows products. This has bothered me
for years (at least 5 years, if not
Say...I have build a new P-4 3 GHz dual core computer with one of the new 1
TeraByte hard drives. But I don't have an OS. Can someone give me a copy of
XP professional? I've spent money on the hardware and have none for the OS.
Txn 73
Walt/K5YFW
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From:
The Commanding General for AFLC at Wright-Patterson AFB had the call whether
the Air Force would go with MS or Apple. He chose MS.
IMHO had he gone with MS, then all of the U.S. military and U.S. government
would have gone with Apple. To keep in step with the federal government, state
and
I gzipped the wiki content (9.7 MB) and sent it as attachment to both
addresses..
73,
Rein PA0R
PS: yes, Fldigi, PSK125 and 10 characters/second incl. arq overhead... with
on-the-fly switch to PSK63 (manually for the moment).
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von:
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For some reason I can't get the latest information on PSKMail...actually
I think the pskmail.org URL and some others are being blocked. The last
I info I have is from Rein is dated Aug 2005.
Am I
Oops, that produced a 'channel limit exceeded' at SMTP , so it won't arrive.
I now copied the wiki archive to a USA mirror for download:
http://wwns.com/tlf/pskmail_iso/pskmail_20070112.tgz (9.7 MB)
Hope you can access that site...
73,
Rein PA0R
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von:
Ok...super. Thanks and disregard my last E-Mail...but port 80 IS being blocked
from some more IPs.
Walt/K5YFW
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rein Couperus
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:10 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: 12.01.07 17:09:44
An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia
By the way, I have often wondered why the B2F binary compression system
used with the Winlink 2000 system
Here's a modest proposal: compress most of the QSO the way the
moonbounce modes do, by knowing what is expected at that point and
expressing it in a few bits. For PSK, we could just standardize on
macro names for a few things and the two modems can negotiate about
whether to expand them on
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: 12.01.07 22:24:49
An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Pactor versus Olivia
Here's a modest proposal: compress most of the QSO the way the
moonbounce modes do, by knowing what is
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From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No or not much collaboration in the ham software world Simon.
If hams who write software would collaborate more, I think you would see
more and better applications for MS and Linux.
Walt/K5YFW
We do
how about restricting non-contesters into a sub-band
being that there would be fewer of them and more contesters.
It has always been a free for all every contest weekend for the
37 years that I have been a ham.
At 12:02 PM 1/9/2007, you wrote:
Seems to me the obvious solution is to put
I rest my case: walt talks about all these different varieties of linux,
RedHat,Mandrake,SuSe, puppy linux and Debian,
all in one sentence. I take it these OS are not compatible with each other. How
the heck can u figure out what runws best with which?
John
VE5MU
I went from IBM's PCDOS
Dear All,
I am about to submit my log for thr last ARRL RTTY contest and there
are 2 categories of low or high power. What power is considered low
power by ARRL for this contest?
Cheers,
Andy
ES2DY
NOPE - contesters are a very small minority of operators. You wouldnt think
it, on contest weekends, because they really do tend to take over. I think
I have sent logs in for one contest in the past 22 years. Most of the time,
I am in there looking at contest stations, just trying to find new
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was your first ever PSK31 QSO ? Mine was April 19th , 1999 ...
see below.
Andy, now K3UK.
Hi Andy,
My first PSK31 QSO was on 22 February 1999 at 18:18 UTC with LA6XF Alf
from Oslo. Frequency was on 14070
I haven't yet figured out what the supposed incompatibility between versions
is all about. For most packages I've run, it's either compile straight from
source and install, or do a search and find pre-built binaries that'll run
on my system (Fedora 3). The only thing I've had problems with so
Demetre, Congratulations on the first PSK31 QSO and also on working Peter in
Kendal. Peter lives 4 miles from my home town in the UK. We have
corresponded a little and he even invited me to his house when I was back
home but I was not able to fit it in to my schedule.
Andy K3UK
On 1/12/07,
I rest my case: walt talks about all these different varieties of linux,
RedHat,Mandrake,SuSe, puppy linux and Debian,
all in one sentence. I take it these OS are not compatible with each
other. How the heck can u figure out what runws best with which?
John VE5MU
You'd be resting your case
Why stop there, Leigh? With the use of QRZ.com and weather.com to
independently determine name, QTH, and weather conditions, you could
encode many QSOs into a pair of callsigns plus one byte.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The only thing that stands between Linux and the
common user today is friends-of-MS who refuse to
make drivers (or driver info) available for Linux
and programmers who are inadequately competent
to make their apps
John,
Here is a simplificatin that ought to be useful.
Take a normal computer (not a laptop, not an old dirtball 386) and
install either Fedora Core 6, Mandriva, or Ubuntu and start from there.
Most upstream providers will have packages and libraries that will work
on those. If not, you
Rein,
I am not clear on this. The B2F compression is used with Winlink 2000. I
am not sure what it really is other than a compression scheme to nearly
double plain text throughput and is some kind of adaptation to the
protocols that were adopted by FBB such as B1F.
Shouldn't this work with
Test via Firefox of the lag issue. It seems that Firefox does not
suffer from the lag , I justed posted an earlier message in IE7 and
you can see how it turned out.
The proble went away in the middle of me postinaout the issue earlier
this wek, just after I booeup Firefoxt test web mail vi that
The proble went away in the middle of me postinaout the issue earlier
this wek, just after I booeup Firefoxt test web mail vi that browser.
The rblem went for 2days but cam back after I rebot the PC this evenig.
As I type this, CPU use is low. alg.exe is using t most RAM , SVCHOST
is not usig
-What is alg.exe? Is alg.exe spyware or a virus? Process name:
Application Layer Gateway Service
Product: Windows
Company: Microsoft
File: alg.exe
Security Rating:
Application Layer Gateway service is a component of of Windows OS. It
is required if you use a 3rd party firewall or Internet
Andy,
What is alg.exe? What percentage of ram is it using? Have you tried to
end task on alg.exe? If so, what happened?
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From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 6:34 PM
To:
The only thing that stands between Linux and the
common user today is friends-of-MS who refuse to
make drivers (or driver info) available for Linux
and programmers who are inadequately competent
to make their apps cross-platform compatible.
And you say this based on your experience
I am referring to your assertion that the impediment is programmers
who are inadequately competent to make their apps cross-platform
compatible. Please explain the rationale behind this claim.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
KV9U wrote:
I am not clear on this. The B2F compression is used with Winlink 2000. I
am not sure what it really is other than a compression scheme to nearly
double plain text throughput and is some kind of adaptation to the
protocols that were adopted by FBB such as B1F.
B2F compression
Thanks for the suggestion Dave and I'm glad you liked my modest proposal.
In fact I have an XSLT transformation I can apply to weather.com which
is invoked via a command-line macro which inserts the current
temperature from weather.com, so when people ask for WX that's what I
give. Of course,
The mind certainly does boggle. The day I start QSOing stations, that do
that, and I know it, Im outta here.
Its bad enough to hear the same MACRO 50 times in a row from someone,
bragging about computer, software, antenna, rigs etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam.
If it is important enough to say - say it
I am also very aware of the profit-motive for
excluding open-source versions of drivers and apps.
Even as a private user I have wasted hundreds of
hours trying to get hardware products to work only
to be told by the manufacturer that they *chose*
to refuse Linux access to minimal info. necessary
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From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And you say this based on your experience developing and deploying
which cross-platform applications?
Well said.
I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who claims
it is as easy as those who
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