Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

2007-03-16 Thread o.
Hi group Where can I download theRFSM software from? 73 Omar YK1AO - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400 .it took forever to tinker with this new

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

2007-03-16 Thread Les Keppie
o. wrote: Hi group Where can I download theRFSM software from? http://rfsm2400.aanesland.com/

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

2007-03-16 Thread Juan Carlos
I'm listening in 14.109.5 in MIL-188 STD now 03/16/2007 03:00 UTC Somebody can connect ?

[digitalradio] QRV

2007-03-16 Thread Juan Carlos
I'm listening in 14.109.5 in MIL STD 188 since 03:00 UTC and nobody/ I'll be until 05:00 UTC

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread Per
Well, MIL-STD-188-110A uses a single phase shifted tone , I guess that made it even more non-intuitive ? The difference between packet and this MIL-STD is just huge. Interleaver to fight fade and QRM, equalization to benefit from multipath and the list could just go on and on. 300 baud packet is a

[digitalradio] Re: ALE Network Management

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonnie, Have you ever used HF-CPSHF? John Hi John, I haven't used it, but it looks like a good program for managing ALE networks. It certainly could be useful in generating all the different fill files for

[digitalradio] CQ ALE (was: RFSM-2400)

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Juan Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm listening in 14.109.5 in MIL-188 STD now 03/16/2007 03:00 UTC Somebody can connect ? Hi Jaun, I recommend you try transmitting an HFL Netcall. That works better than listening. It will trigger all ALE ham

[digitalradio] DigiTRX in Windows Me - it works!

2007-03-16 Thread David Kruh
After getting a PIII laptop into the shack (which, like my PII still, unfortunately, runs on Windows Me) I was able to get DigiTRX to work receiving digital images from WB0UNB and NI7O. WB0UNB was also able to receive my first digital picture transmission. Someday I'll get a PC with XP down

Re: [digitalradio] QRV RFSM-2400 14109.5

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto IS0GRB
I'm now qrz on 14.109.50 usb with RFSM-2400 and beacon mode 500/600 short every 30s Can you try to receive me and connect me? 73 Roberto IS0GRB - Original Message - From: KT2Q To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio]

Re: [digitalradio] QRV RFSM-2400 14109.5

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto IS0GRB
sorry qrv.. - Original Message - From: Roberto IS0GRB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] QRV RFSM-2400 14109.5 I'm now qrz on 14.109.50 usb with RFSM-2400 and beacon mode 500/600 short every 30s Can you

[digitalradio] MPSK vs OFDM vs MFSK for HF High Speed Data

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
Since there is work presently being done to advance HF data communications, I thought it would be good to start a dialogue here about the advantages of PSK signals on HF, over some of the other choices. I'm not a world expert on these particular systems, however, I have used them and have an

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

2007-03-16 Thread KT2Q
Roberto... IS0GRB' attempt connecting to 'LA5VNA' 'IS0GRB' attempt connecting to 'LA5VNA' 'IS0GRB' attempt connecting to 'LA5VNA' 'IS0GRB' attempt connecting to 'LA5VNA' Monitoring your RFSM sigs -- sorry I can't connect : ( Tony KT2Q From 'IS0HMB' to 'IS0GRB': Channel status packet, S/N:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread kv9u
If the 110A works this well at 2400 baud, what would happen with slower speeds? From what I understand, it does require a good signal to get through, perhaps comparable to the WinDRM software at maybe +10 S/N dB or maybe a bit below that? 73, Rick, KV9U Per wrote: Well, MIL-STD-188-110A

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread John Champa
Poor Bonnie! We are hitting you from both directions: --some want better weak signal performance at the cost of speed (~HF) --some want more speed at the cost of signal performance (~10M VHF) Original Message Follows From: kv9u [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

2007-03-16 Thread Steinar Aanesland
My side is now updated with a fast link to latest the software. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar http://rfsm2400.aanesland.com/ Les Keppie wrote: o. wrote: Hi group Where can I download theRFSM software from? http://rfsm2400.aanesland.com/

[digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kv9u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the 110A works this well at 2400 baud, what would happen with slower speeds? From what I understand, it does require a good signal to get through, perhaps comparable to the WinDRM software at maybe +10 S/N dB or maybe a

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread Per
The slower speeds are better when the condx is worse, 75 bps and long interleave gets through just about anything. I have not really had to use it at that speed , 1200 bps gets through nicely too. I don't know how good the implementation in RFSM is, my experience is based upon years of daily use

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
What if an individual wants high speed AND good low signal leveel throughput? I think the first thing is that individuals need to decide what USER throughput they want in CPS or WPM or PPM and then at what the lowerest SNR they expect the mode to provide 95% copy (or some percent of perfect). As

[digitalradio] From YK1AO

2007-03-16 Thread o.
Hi group Where can I download theRFSM software from? 73 Omar YK1AO - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400 .it took forever to tinker with this

[digitalradio] SNR Performance vs Speed Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
John wrote: --some want better weak signal performance at the cost of speed (~HF) --some want more speed at the cost of signal performance (~10M VHF) Hi John, Fortunately, this choice is already built into the 188-110 system. Here is the specification a 8PSK MIL-STD-188-110 modem meets

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread kv9u
I was able to find some interesting data on poor channel performance of the 110A modem from one company: http://www.etools.de/software/telekommunikation/komponenten/milstd188110a.htm Depending upon the BER you can tolerate, it appears that the 2400 bps speed can only handle around +10 to +14

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread kv9u
Bonnie, Your definition below is not at all my understanding, nor does it square with anything that I have read on baud rate. My understanding for many years has been that baud refers to the symbol rate per second. In other words, the actual changes or transitions taking place per second.

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
Yes. Bonnie --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Bill McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bonnie, To condense, is your opinion as follows? It is legal, in the US, for image or voice content on HF in the image/voice subbands. It is not legal at all, in the US, in the RTTY/data

[digitalradio] 14346kHz Image Re: RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Howard, It is best to arrange a sked on Digitalradio or HFLINK group. We have previously used one of the ALE channels at 14346.0kHz USB for sending images with the 188-110 modem. We link first on ALE, then use SSB Voice QSO for setting things up. We don't use any texting or chat via keyboard.

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread John Champa
If you want to have a revolution, first you must kill all the lawyers. William Shakespeare Does that include barracks lawyers? Just kidding guys. Keep it light! HI HI 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: Steinar Aanesland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread John Champa
Bonnie, If one more so called radio experimenter asks if something is legal, tonight, I am going to go out and get drunk...which I really would rather not do. I am getting too old for such foolishness. HI 73, John, K8OCL PS - I found a store that will ship an ICOM IC-F7000 to my address in

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread John Champa
Walt, I would rather have ONE mode that is scalable so that you could merely adjust it according to the demand, speed vs SNR, etc. Please write to me off-line if you plan to attend HAMCOM in Dallas. I think I owe you a case of wine or something. 73, John K8OCL Original Message

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread John Champa
Rick, Now that is some interesting research! More please. Thanks, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: kv9u [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSM2400 / MIL-STD-188-110 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread Bill McLaughlin
To be argumentative, this quote was from the play Henry VI, believe Dick the Butcher made it. He also wanted to execute all those that could read or write. Shakespeare apprenticed for a law firm and do not think he would wish for my family to be deprived of income thru death :) Also doubt

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400/MIL-STD-188-110

2007-03-16 Thread Danny Douglas
Is THAT legal? Oh I guess it is if your over 21. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL

[digitalradio] RFSM2400

2007-03-16 Thread John Bradley
HELP!!! I cannot seem to get this software running properly. I can call another station, and his station answers me , looking for the connect. But I don't see ANY packets from him and can't carry thru with the connection. His signal looks good, everything seems to be working the way it

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM2400

2007-03-16 Thread Howard Brown
Hi John, I had a similar experience running RFSM2400 under Wine on Linux. I set up a clean Windows system and went to the latest version of the RFSM2400 package and that cleared it up. The best I could tell, my software was seeing the other station because the S/N and speed were appearing in

[digitalradio] Re: MPSK vs OFDM vs MFSK for HF High Speed Data

2007-03-16 Thread Bill McLaughlin
Hi Bonnie, Thanks for initiating this discussion: Throw the prospect of incremental frequency shift keying into the mix for discussion; know a few are working on this mode(s)also. The OFDM (AM-QPSK)+6dB better SNR may or may not be an issue...it depends on usagethe usual HF near LUF

[digitalradio] rfsm2400

2007-03-16 Thread John Bradley
beaconing on mil std 3620khz USB at 0400Z John VE5MU

[digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-16 Thread KT2Q
All: The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up everytime a new mode is introduced. Life is too short to try and make sense of Part 97 so I think it would be useful to have a list of guidelines to help determine whether a mode meets FCC rules or not. It should be to the point and concise;

Re: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-16 Thread Les Keppie
KT2Q wrote: All: The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up everytime a new mode is introduced. Life is too short to try and make sense of Part 97 so I think it would be useful to have a list of guidelines to help determine whether a mode meets FCC rules or not. It should be to the

Re: [digitalradio] From YK1AO

2007-03-16 Thread Jose A. Amador
o. wrote: Hi group Where can I download theRFSM software from? 73 Omar YK1AO Omar, The temporary site is http://rfsm2400.narod.ru 73, José, CO2JA __ V Conferencia Internacional de Energía Renovable, Ahorro de Energía y Educación