[digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread Brad
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not surprising that strong polarizing opinions exist regarding this subject or how it is applied to ham radio digital communications. Bonnie KQ6XA It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread bruce mallon
OK from a NON-DIGITAL Ham's view point. EXPLORING / pushing the boundary's of radio are as old as ham radio it's self. Now how do we do this if the rules don't allow it? Good question Do we break the law then after we prove it will work apply for a rule change or go on until we get

Re: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
What I would like to see are more published accounts of experimenting. We did have the one in the quiet zone of an eastern state with using WiFi. But it seems to me that we need to go far beyond that. I have seen no WiMax type of articles yet. And I use a WiMax type system everyday for a 7

[digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread Dave Ingram
Brad wrote: It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! I agree with this, and would like to suggest that when discussing

[digitalradio] RFSM2400

2007-03-19 Thread John Bradley
March 15,2007 As of 1500Z on 14109.5 USB until Z , no beacon , mil std 188 110A, please try a connect John VE5MU

Re: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
If you look at the background of the ARRL direction, such as: http://home.satx.rr.com/wdubose/hsmm/hsmm-webpage.html It does not seem to me that much of this has come to the point of not requiring further study and experimentation. Where are the results published since the 2001 inception?

Re: [digitalradio] CQ CH?

2007-03-19 Thread Robert Meuser
Switzerland Dave wrote: What is CQ CH? I'm used to seeing CQ WY, or CQ ID, or even CQ KL7, but CH has me puzzled. Just heard it on PSK31 on 30 meters. Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
OK, Brad, What are your specific objections to any given rule that you think are improper? It seems to me that we have found different countries have different rules and it can be very helpful to know what they are. As I recall, it took years for your country to even allow Winlink 2000

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400

2007-03-19 Thread Howard Brown
John, will you post the method you used to resolve this? Thanks, Howard K5HB --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP!!! I cannot seem to get this software running properly. I can call another station, and his station answers me , looking for

RE: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
http://home.satx.rr.com/wdubose/hsmm/hsmm-webpage.html is not a good reference. I have not maintained that page since 2005. Much has happened since then and I need to take it down since it is very out of date. Actually I didn't know the account still existed. I wonder who is paying for it?

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400

2007-03-19 Thread John Bradley
The problem appeared at the other end, Terry, VE5TLW, was using a 600mhz computer running W98, which he has used for all other digi modes without a problem. His rig is a TS2000. Switched computers , and everything works as it is supposed to, and what a great piece of software Dmitry and

[digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400

2007-03-19 Thread expeditionradio
John VE5MU wrote: ... everything works as it is supposed to, and what a great piece of software Dmitry and partners have developed. connects under very poor conditions, and seems to be immune to the usual noise etc on 80M over a 1500km distance. Hi John, I agree with you. RFSM2400 is an

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread John Bradley
This is the part that is incredibly baffling to those of us outside the United States. The argument that us Cannucks and our Aussie cousins have very few hams and very limited population is valid only on VHF/UHF, since HF has no boundaries when it comes to propagation. 90% of Canada's

Re: [digitalradio] CQ CH?

2007-03-19 Thread Jose A. Amador
Robert Meuser wrote: Switzerland It would beon the Internet Dave wrote: What is CQ CH? I'm used to seeing CQ WY, or CQ ID, or even CQ KL7, but CH has me puzzled. Just heard it on PSK31 on 30 meters. Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW It is CQ (C)ounty (H)unters.he, he... 73,

RE: FW: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Hey, knock it off Steve. Who are you to judge how I feel? I have been licensed for almost 50 years and I have seen regs come and go. I do care. I am NOT saying I don't care! What I am saying is don't replace your brain with the rule book. I worked closely the League's legal staff for 4 years

RE: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Results were published in our WG report to the Board twice a year. The Board would then publish them with their minutes in QST. John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To:

RE: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Dave, You have made some good points about US hams having too many regs. We seem to have this incestuous love affair with regs, or at least seem to think we lack the ability to perform as good operators without them. It has an impact on our performance and perspective, too! Please note that

Re: [digitalradio] Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread Danny Douglas
I certainly have MY doubts that many hams would live the goodie life if there were no regulations. Just take a look where there ARE regulations; the US highways, and see how many Americans pay attention to the law. Yes, the majority would try to do so, but the minority, and I mean a large

Re: [digitalradio] legal Mode guidelines

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Rick, Sorry. Did I write years to get an STA? My bad. It should only take a 1 -2 months. Paul R. can help. HOWEVER, he will insist that you have whatever it is ready to be put on the air for testing BEFORE he applies, and not wait until the STA is issued to finalize the software, hardware,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread kv9u
There is really nothing that baffling when you consider that NZ and Oz are so remote that even the lower HF bands are not often going to bother the larger population areas that much. But it works both ways. The Canadians, who are immediately adjacent to the U.S., have in the past had phone

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Jewell
kv9u writes: What rule do you think is stopping U.S. hams from using RFSM2400 other than if it is not yet posted with a technical description? 97.307(f)(3) ... The symbol rate may not exceed 300 bauds ... That applies to all the cw,data subbands below 28 MHz. I wish it were otherwise, but

[digitalradio] Getting RFSM2400 Approved for US Hams

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
Rick, Those are good points. We must be careful about making cross-cultural comparisons when discussing International regs. We learned that big time in various gun control debates! If we were to compare our radio regs to anyone, it should probably be to Japan, and right off we can see problems

[digitalradio] Re: Getting RFSM2400 Approved for US Hams

2007-03-19 Thread Bill McLaughlin
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I thought you said, Kill all the lawyers, guess that does not include the ARRL legal staff.. Prohibitions are fairly simple; and no, that is not the same as permissions :) 73 es be well, Bill N9DSJ {snipped

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules

2007-03-19 Thread Brad
OK, Brad, What are your specific objections to any given rule that you think are improper? RFSM2400? You know the new mode that triggered this whole hand wringing debate about whether USA hams could or could not use it? 300bd? Ha! Images/Text/Images of text/fax? Ha! It seems to

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Getting RFSM2400 Approved for US Hams

2007-03-19 Thread John Champa
I thought we decided somebody else said that? (HI) Chris Imlay worked pretty hard for us. He was able to get an FCC consensus on encryption being OK for Hams to use when the FCC staff in the SAME office had somewhat different views on the same subject! I don't know what the ARRL pays him, but

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting RFSM2400 Approved for US Hams

2007-03-19 Thread John Bradley
- I can't see the FCC spending a lot of time looking for WMD's since the probability of success in the past has been pretty low.. ( I'm speaking of Wide Mode Digital, what were your thinking?) John VE5MU

[digitalradio] Re: MPSK vs OFDM vs MFSK for HF High Speed Data

2007-03-19 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
The other problem is linearity of the whole chain. The subcarriers get mixed not only in the PA, but in the receiver, sound card etc., which may be interpreted as increased noise on the decoder side. The average YaeComWood was not designed with this in mind. Voice SSB modulation is roughly similar