[digitalradio] Re: Digital voice now

2007-03-23 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KT2Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: I'm QRV digtial voice on 7176.0 USB. Any takers? It's 0400z. Tony KT2Q Sorry I missed you Tony. Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread cesco12342000
The only other known use for voice-bandwidth data modes is for image transfers, which can send an SSTV-size picture, with a very low error rate, in 30 seconds, using a bandwidth of 2400 Hz. the same image, at the same low error rate, can be sent in less than 2 minutes, using a bandwidth

[digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-23 Thread expeditionradio
It seems that one of the effects of ARRL's clarification of new modifications to FCC proposal is to tear down the famous 300 symbols per second wall. In place of that old wall, a new wall would be built: A new 3kHz bandwidth limit for RTTY/data signals. Prior to this, there was no bandwidth

Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-23 Thread bruce mallon
This will be the end of ham radio . Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice now

2007-03-23 Thread w6ids
If you went LSB, wouldn't that keep General Class licensees from straying below the 40 meter cutoff frequency of 7.175? UH, I think I said that right. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: John Becker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:48

[digitalradio] Re: Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-23 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be the end of ham radio . Hi Bruce, I heard that in 1967. Bonnie KQ6XA

Re: [digitalradio] Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread Danny Douglas
I am somewhat relieved, if still confused about the language. Also, I am certainly glad I never took up the law as a profession - the language used is designed to confuse everyone else, and probably half the lawyers. I am dead set against ANY automatic mode use of our bands during normal

Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-23 Thread John Champa
Bruce, Do you ALWAYS over-react, of is that just for this reflector? ;o) John Original Message Follows From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice now

2007-03-23 Thread KT2Q
Tony this is to low in the phone band for a lot of us. Understand John -- just picked that frequency at radom. It was BCI-free at that time ; ). Send an e-mail next time and we'll QSY. Tony KT2Q

Re: [digitalradio] Tearing Down USA's Data Wall (300 symbols/second)

2007-03-23 Thread bruce mallon
Do you ever want to see a vote of all members of the arrl? or better yet all hams as to if they want this? You know damn well if wide band gets going all other modes will be squeezed out ... why do you think the RTTY/CW guys are livid right now ? how many ARRL members will be left after this

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [WinDRM] Re: Digital voice now

2007-03-23 Thread kv9u
I was able to listen for a little bit when several stations were running WinDRM tests in the past week, especially Jason, N1SU, and another station who I heard fairly well on DV, but K0PFX was only copyable when on analog SSB since he was too weak to decode. The sample you have sounds pretty

[digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
1. The folks at Booth, Freret, Imlay Tepper are unpaid volunteers? 2. One way to avoid such errors is to openly seeking broad review beforehand; defects are less expensive (time, $) to correct sooner than later. The ARRL does a lot of things well, and deserve the appropriate accolades.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DVDRM KV9U

2007-03-23 Thread kv9u
Hi Tony, I got the impression in talking to the WinDRM users on 7173 SSTV group, that it worked with lower than +10 dB S/N. Maybe around 7 dB? The older programs used the RDFT protocol which did require around +10, and that is at least part of the reason for so rapidly abandoning RDFT based

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread John Champa
Dave, 1. Not the attorney, silly! I had to pay my attorney when I was forced to take legal action against other Radio Amateurs, but it was my unpaid volunteer efforts he was defending. Are we in an adult conversation here, or what? 2. The Board (remember, those unpaid volunteers?) did seek

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Does the ARRL post, and seek comment, when they plan on seeking new rules? I assume that posting their proposals for a 30 day comment period would help spot heir errors. Andy K3UK On 3/23/07, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, 1. Not the attorney, silly! I had to pay my attorney

[digitalradio] Re: Report of the ARRL Ad Hoc HF Digital Committee Dissenting Recommendation

2007-03-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Not the attorney, silly! I had to pay my attorney when I was forced to take legal action against other Radio Amateurs, but it was my unpaid volunteer efforts he was defending. Are we in an adult

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DVDRM KV9U

2007-03-23 Thread KT2Q
Rick... I got the impression in talking to the WinDRM users on 7173 SSTV group, that it worked with lower than +10 dB S/N. Maybe around 7 dB? For what it's worth, I did some path simulator tests with WinDRM and the SNR decode threshold seemed to be around 8db. It was about 3 to 4db