Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail............... lack of stations

2007-09-11 Thread Rein Couperus
PSKMail uses PSK125 ot PSK63 so it does not use ARQ. Pskmail uses arq on top of psk125. Rein PA0R Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hello Rick. First of all, I would like to comment on FEC and S/N. Look at the article from G3RUH http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/g3ruh/105.html The graph http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/g3ruh/105/fig01.gif explains a lot. FEC gives you an extra coding gain, only if the raw signal S/N is

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I guess I need to learn what an unfished CD is Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ) On 9/11/07, Rein Couperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key is that you need a CD which is 'unfinished'. I have not tried this, but you could take a look at the puppy linux wiki. They claim you can even

[digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Andrew O'Brien
As mentioned in this forum earlier in the week by Simon, DM780 testing has progressed to the point that a new public release is expected soon, possible by this weekend. Digital mode enthusiasts may want to check the Ham Radio Deluxe web site check for the new version. DM780 has PSK31-63--125,

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread John Lindsay
Since the public release is due out soon, hopefully Simon will be OK in me providing a preview screen shot, check it at http://www.obriensweb.com/dm780,jpg http://www.obriensweb.com/dm780,jpg This screen shot shows a CW

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread John Lindsay
Andrew O'Brien wrote: As mentioned in this forum earlier in the week by Simon, DM780 testing has progressed to the point that a new public release is expected soon, possible by this weekend. Digital mode enthusiasts may want to check the Ham Radio Deluxe web site check for the new version.

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Thanks John, I must have a type in there, http://www.obriensweb.com/dm780.jpg works On 9/11/07, John Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Since the public release is due out soon, hopefully Simon will be OK in me providing a

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Olivia may also be added in the near future. With luck this evening - receives OK, sends garbage :-( JT65A in the distant future. Planned for November. Various older screenshots:

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Rein Couperus
I guess the manual of your burner software will be able to tell you. Look at burning a data disk. The idea is to keep the disk open for adding stuff later. Most burning software defaults to closing the CD after write, and you cannot add stuff afterwards. But there are enough acceptions. Nero

Re: [digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Claudio Ruben
Hi: I think that`s very simple, the mode decline because nobody try to use it. I usually qap around 1900 z in 14105 and when a station call i can see him always 599, sometimes i made the qso, sometimes not, but in psk i had to beam my antennas every moment and in olivia not. So i propose that

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Howard Brown
Hi John, I am a big proponent of developing cross-platform applications. That does not seem to be a very popular approach these days. If you happen to own a TS-2000 there is a program here: http://www.qsl.net/wb5kia/arcs/arcslite.htm that runs very well under Wine and does very well with CAT.

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: Howard Brown We need more cross-platform development and less proprietary work. Much, much easier said than done. Most developers are one-man bands devoting all available free time to software. When your program becomes popular the support effort becomes

Re: [digitalradio] DM780 major update soon.

2007-09-11 Thread Howard Brown
Hi Simon, I don't know the choices you made or why you made them. I certainly recognize that your software is excellent work. I do know that in software development there are some choices that can be made that make cross- platform development possible. Been there, done that (in business

Re: [digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Jose A. Amador
Vojtech, That is what is state of the art in the bag of tricks. Pactor uses convolutional encoding with Viterbi decoding, which allows maximum likelyhood detection. Which means that the decoder knows, taking into account the history of the stream what symbols are likely to come next, instead

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Jose A. Amador
A disk that accepts more data. In Nero terms, you can leave a CD closed (will not accept further data) or open. Usually, music CD's are closed. Open disks are mainly used for data, as music readers will get confused with such a disk. Jose, CO2JA -= Andrew O'Brien wrote: I guess I need to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Rick
Hi Jose, Do you see any difference between the convolutional code of Pactor and the Viterbi code in MFSK16 or Patrick's use of Viterbi code in his F versions of PSK and his FEC of DEX? The extra thing that SCS developed early with Pactor 1 was the ability to create a correct frame from

Re: [digitalradio] The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Rick, All the FEC appears to be roughly the same Viterbi encoding/decoding in Multipsk but perhaps there are some differences? No the Viterbi encoding of QPSK31 is smaller so a bit less powerful that the one used for MFSK16/MFSK8/PSK63F/PSK220F, this group of modes using the same Viterbi

[digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Vojtech Bubnik
Hi Patrick. I was astonished (and a bit disappointed) not to find more that one dB. I think it's due to the particular IFK modulation: when you do one error on a symbol, the following symbol will be also in error (as in PSK31). So it's a bit more complicated for the Viterbi decoder to find the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Vojtech, I use a soft decoder in all cases (QPSK31, MFSK, PSKxyF, DominoEX), the level being normalized from -100 to 100 (200 points being widely sufficient). I have not compared with an hard decoder (2 points instead of 200), but i doubt that the gain be much (perhaps 1 dB) . So it's

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Andrew O'Brien
but when burning an ISO image, I am not given this option. On 9/11/07, Jose A. Amador [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A disk that accepts more data. In Nero terms, you can leave a CD closed (will not accept further data) or open. Usually, music CD's are closed. Open disks are mainly used for

RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Paul MW0CDO
Rein means an UNFINALISED CD Andy. Most CD/DVD authoring software ( Nero, Roxio, VOB etc ) provides the option of finalising or not. If you finalise, no further data can be written unless you either unfinalise or format a CD/DVD-RW disc. If you finalise a non-RW disc then you've had it, no

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Diolch, Paul.

Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail save session to CD?

2007-09-11 Thread Jose A. Amador
Andrew O'Brien wrote: but when burning an ISO image, I am not given this option. Seems it is OK, I did realize it quickly enough. An ISO is an already closed bundle. So, it would take some extra work to open the ISO in a hard drive and burn the components as separate files. That could

Re: [digitalradio] Re: The decline of Olivia and DominoEX

2007-09-11 Thread Jose A. Amador
Rick wrote: Hi Jose, Do you see any difference between the convolutional code of Pactor and the Viterbi code in MFSK16 or Patrick's use of Viterbi code in his F versions of PSK and his FEC of DEX? I have not studied those in detail. And I know about Viterbi DECODER, but, would a Viterbi