[digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Graham
I really do not understand Graham's proposal: a narrow band spread spectrum system? I really need some more clarification about this.*** Ok may be a bit like calling a steam train a iron horse, dose the same thing but a little differently Spread spectrum : may not be quite the intended

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Jose A. Amador
Graham wrote: I really do not understand Graham's proposal: a narrow band spread spectrum system? I really need some more clarification about this.*** Ok may be a bit like calling a steam train a iron horse, dose the same thing but a little differently Spread spectrum : may not

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Rud Merriam
Again, AX.25 is not suitable for many reason so a new standard is needed. It is based on X.25 that assumes a reliable link which is obviously not the case with RF. Simply tacking some kind of FEC onto AX.25 will not suffice. AX.25 includes message routing which is inappropriate for that level

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Paul L Schmidt, K9PS
I've got to agree with Jose here. AX.25 works pretty well on VHF, but falls apart on HF. But AX.25 is a link-layer protocol, not the whole suite of stuff that got crammed into a TNC. AX.25 may have been derived from the X.25 landline protocol, but using the obsolete landline modem under it is

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Jose A. Amador
My experience has been that the weakest point on HF packet were a too feeble modem, losing frames with just one erroneous bit and bad, aggressive parameters. There were other reasons, like stations not zero beat on each other, hidden stations, etc, nothing to do with the protocol. I have been

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digitalmodes?

2008-08-06 Thread Jose A. Amador
Paul L Schmidt, K9PS wrote: I've got to agree with Jose here. AX.25 works pretty well on VHF, but falls apart on HF. But AX.25 is a link-layer protocol, not the whole suite of stuff that got crammed into a TNC. AX.25 may have been derived from the X.25 landline protocol, but using the

[digitalradio] Fwd: Digital DX LA/SP7VC (EU-076)

2008-08-06 Thread Andrew O'Brien
-- Forwarded message -- From: Tomek SP5UAF [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM Subject: Digital DX LA/SP7VC (EU-076) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Just to let you know Przemek Mek SP7VC will be active from Lofoten Islands (EU-076, grid JP67) on August 8 - 15.

[digitalradio] AX.25 vs Something New

2008-08-06 Thread Rud Merriam
I suggest anyone interested in this topic start by reading http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/2504/http:zSzzSzpeople.qualcomm. comzSzkarnzSzpaperszSznewlinkpaper.pdf/karn94toward.pdf by Phil Karn KA9Q. If anyone does not recognize his name or call then research him because he is an icon

Re: [digitalradio] AX.25 vs Something New

2008-08-06 Thread Chuck Mayfield - AA5J
Rud Merriam wrote: I suggest anyone interested in this topic start by reading http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/2504/http:zSzzSzpeople.qualcomm. http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/2504/http:zSzzSzpeople.qualcomm. comzSzkarnzSzpaperszSznewlinkpaper.pdf/karn94toward.pdf by

Re: [digitalradio] AX.25 vs Something New

2008-08-06 Thread Chuck Mayfield - AA5J
Rud Merriam wrote: You mention protocol layers. Which model do you want to use for discussion, OSI or the Internet model? Perhaps not a big question since layers 1 2 are the same but once we start moving up the stack they differ. I have a problem with the formatting on this

Re: [digitalradio] Has anyone looked into FPGA-based digital modes?

2008-08-06 Thread Walt DuBose
Rick W. wrote: Hi Paul, Sounds like you might be getting caught up with some of your other work and can devote some time again to digital modes:) For those who are not aware, it was Paul's paper on ARQ concepts that lead to development of several current uses of ham radio ARQ modes.

RE: [digitalradio] AX.25 vs Something New

2008-08-06 Thread Rud Merriam
Here is a presentation by Phil with the same information: http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/newlink/page1.html The paper at a different URL: http://www.ka9q.net/papers/newlinkpaper.pdf Phil's papers: http://www.ka9q.net/papers/ Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX