- Original Message -
From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I suspect what Simon means is that the UI portion of his application
contains code whose copyright is held by individuals other than him,
thereby precluding release to open source without the holder's
approval.
Spot on. I
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Simon Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Spot on. I use a commercial library from Codejock - www.codejock.com
- this
cannot be distributed. I also use other commercial libraries with
similar
restrictions. I can only ship the runtime libraries or link the code
- Original Message -
From: Frank Brickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copyright and Open Source are not opposites. Copyright ownership is
the precise legal foundation of, for example, the General Public
License (GPL).
No matter, the terms under which I use this code specifically disallow
On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
- Separating the UI from the modems and rig control and using a
protocol
between them would make it easier to write platform-specific
best-of-breed UIs. PSKCore.DLL is OK for this approach for
Windows, but
as it uses the Microsoft
Exactly. My personal experience, which I believe is nearly identical to
Frank's, is found in our doing the software defined radio code (which
is used now by thousands of radio amateurs and others) finds Simon's
fear is misplaced. However, it is a personal (if incorrect ;-) )
decision and
It is apparent that you understand that ownership of a copyright
allows you to control its use, even if that control is to allow free
use, but your statement has a major semantic flaw--
The words precise and legal are incompatible and should never be
used in the same sentence.
That's why we
- Original Message -
From: Simon Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some amateurs actually get software written and others who just complain.
Sorry, typo in the message, should have said: .. and others who are
destined for management.
Now back to monitoring 15m PSK.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
I am referring to your assertion that the impediment is programmers
who are inadequately competent to make their apps cross-platform
compatible. Please explain the rationale behind this claim.
73, Dave, AA6YQ
Oh, that is easy.
Three sources:
1. Programmers who have told me directly that
Peter is mostly correct about this. Microsoft is not involved in this
issue at all. If a vendor does not see a market for their product with a
given OS, they just are not going to spend the money needed to develop
that driver.
However, my understanding is that in some cases it is not the
It's not that the distro's are not compatible. Distributions by the
different vendors, i.e. redhat, mandrake, suse, puppy, etc. pretty
much use the same linux kernels, libraries, and software. They are
generally just different conglomerations of software based upon what
the distro is aimed at.
Peter is mostly correct about this. Microsoft is not involved in this
issue at all. If a vendor does not see a market for their product with a
given OS, they just are not going to spend the money needed to develop
that driver.
I am not into conspiracies even the public attacks
against
I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who claims
it is as easy as those who haven't :-)
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
Who said anything about easy?
--
Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E
~~
Projects: http://ham-macguyver.bibleseven.com
- Original Message -
From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who
claims
it is as easy as those who haven't :-)
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
Who said anything about easy?
I bang my head against a large lump of concrete while
Hello Simon,
I want to thank you for the great software and as somebody who has actually
attempted a little programming (with mixed results) I know the amount of time
and effort you have put into the software.
I usually run a beta version of your software and find your beta version runs
Yes, cross-platform development requires an extra effort -- just as
putting a man on the moon requires an extra effort compared with
climbing a tree.
You are poorly informed, Doc. Condemning others based on what you've
been told is risky business. Some developers are used to this sort of
A couple of random observations
- UI is the hardest part
- next is device interface (sound cards, RS232) though the effort to
abstract that out pales in comparison to the problem of providing a
best-of-breed UI for different platforms
- Adobe has many hundreds of programmers working on Photoshop
- A Java digimode program sure would be nice. I have a few pieces done
and would be pleased to work with others, but there are still people
(Win/Lin/Mac/BSD who won't use Java)
Leigh/WA5ZNU
Are you familiar with tcl/tk? I am not.
Many apps being used successfully with Puppy Linux
use
Unless you have a monolithic approach in mind, you'll need a fast
platform-independent IPC mechanism.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A couple of random observations
- UI is the hardest part
- next is device
It is difficult to work in a particular field and then come home and do
the same thing. As an electronics enthusiastic from a very early age,
due to a series of life events, I eventually wound up building a small
audiovisual/electronics/computer repair shop for an educational agency.
We even
You are poorly informed, Doc. Condemning others
based on what you've been told is risky business.
The attitude of condemnation has been somewhat
one-sided, and not from my side. I made a simple
*observation* based on 30 years of experience with
computers without the intention of it turning
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Simon Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am *not* making it open source, only the decoding DLL's. The UI
will never
be open source as it uses copyrighted code.
Copyright and Open Source are not opposites. Copyright ownership is
the precise legal foundation
The last distribution I bought, SUSE 9.3, was very easy to install and
most everything worked. Adding some programs was easy, some were
hard. I wanted to use my PC with my IPOD Shuffle and getting ITunes
replacement software working was difficult because I had to retrieve
and compile several
Hi!
Jim has hited the proverbial nail:
*I had to retrieve and compile several libraries.*
for most of us without the necessary knowledge of building and compiling
libraries, things can be difficult and can cause loss of motivation. Been
there done that!
regards
On 1/12/07, jgorman01 [EMAIL
This really isn't hard. There were only three commands to use:
'./configure', 'make', and 'make install' to compile and install the
libraries. The hard part was doing the internet searches to find the
correct versions. This isn't really any more difficult than searching
the internet to find the
: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:59 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?
That's my one pet peeve about Linux. You go looking for a program to
do what you want and find out it is two years old and requires
libraries that have been updated 4
: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:48 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?
How do you determine your specific 20 second turnaround time?
Couldn't it be any reasonable number from say 1 second up to maybe 20
seconds?
Seems
Of cesco12342000
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:22 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?
How do you determine your specific 20 second turnaround time?
Couldn't it be any reasonable number from say 1 second up to maybe
20
toward open digital software?
re What Linux does for one think is make you think about what you
are doing and keep you from becoming an appliance operator? How many
hams really know how to program their 2M talkie?
Using Linux will not teach you to program your 2M talkie, nor will it
teach you
That's fairly simple. It just takes to make a static build.
Inconveniences: It generates much larger code.
Nevertheless, may be an option. If the codesmith would care for
releasing both static and dynamic linked programs, there would be a
solution for all.
That's what Mozilla does, as sake of
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My main criticism of Linux is that is has horrific fonts that are not
comparable to Windows fonts and the Linux folks try and make believe
that this is not a problem
I'm not going to dispute your assertion, but I don't
: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Salomao
Fresco
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:26 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?
Hi!
Jim has hited the proverbial nail:
I had to retrieve and compile several
I have looked at and sometimes used a number of Linux distributions,
some in the past few weeks in terms of Live CD and DVD:
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Mandriva, openSUSE, MEPIS, Freespire.
None have the quality fonts of MS Windows products. This has bothered me
for years (at least 5 years, if not
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The only thing that stands between Linux and the
common user today is friends-of-MS who refuse to
make drivers (or driver info) available for Linux
and programmers who are inadequately competent
to make their apps
The only thing that stands between Linux and the
common user today is friends-of-MS who refuse to
make drivers (or driver info) available for Linux
and programmers who are inadequately competent
to make their apps cross-platform compatible.
And you say this based on your experience
I am referring to your assertion that the impediment is programmers
who are inadequately competent to make their apps cross-platform
compatible. Please explain the rationale behind this claim.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am also very aware of the profit-motive for
excluding open-source versions of drivers and apps.
Even as a private user I have wasted hundreds of
hours trying to get hardware products to work only
to be told by the manufacturer that they *chose*
to refuse Linux access to minimal info. necessary
- Original Message -
From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And you say this based on your experience developing and deploying
which cross-platform applications?
Well said.
I have never met anyone who has developed multi-platform software who claims
it is as easy as those who
I often wonder if there is even one ham working on adapting
the existing
ham DRM type protocol to a pipelined ARQ connected mode that has
adaptability to conditions.
I think no.
The main problem of arq-drm is the very long turnaround time.
It's in the 20sec range. This makes normal arq
That's my one pet peeve about Linux. You go looking for a program to
do what you want and find out it is two years old and requires
libraries that have been updated 4 times since then. Sometimes trying
to find the older libraries is a real challenge. I would love it if
everyone would store the
How do you determine your specific 20 second turnaround time?
Couldn't it be any reasonable number from say 1 second up to maybe 20
seconds?
Seems as if the SCAMP protocol was around 12 seconds, but I am not
certain of that. Then the listening period was for over a half second.
That is the
How do you determine your specific 20 second turnaround time?
Couldn't it be any reasonable number from say 1 second up to maybe
20
seconds?
The time from start of transmission until receiving the first data
segment is 10s to 15s. That's the sync-zone, the lead-in.
20 sec is not to be
re What Linux does for one think is make you think about what you
are doing and keep you from becoming an appliance operator? How many
hams really know how to program their 2M talkie?
Using Linux will not teach you to program your 2M talkie, nor will it
teach you how to create applications
That's my one pet peeve about Linux. You go looking for a program to
do what you want and find out it is two years old and requires
libraries that have been updated 4 times since then. Sometimes trying
to find the older libraries is a real challenge. I would love it if
everyone would store
to LOTW
or hard card.
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- Original Message -
From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open
And you will find my name in the acknowledgements in the preface as I
helped with the course development in its first two years. Gerry was my
advisor as well for a while. I heard from him last month, when he
finished his new K2.
Last year MIT started offering a mixed course for non-majors,
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