So your idea of "good intentions, tolerance, and friendship" is "The 
automatic band segments are a stupid place to park a slow keyboarding 
digi mode... like they say, If you can't stand the heat, stay out of 
the kitchen. :)" 

Do you have a receipt for those frequencies you seem to think you own?

    73,

       Dave, AA6YQ


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Andy K3UK wrote:
> > However, what is the  REAL difference between sending 
> > your callsign a few times via ALE , versus picking up 
> > the Mic and asking "is this frequency in use" ?   
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> I agree Andy, a normal ALE sounding or linking burst is only 10 to 
20
> seconds duration, and consists of simply callsign ID. HFN pilot
> stations are using syncronized 10 second duration to minimize this. 
> 
> I, too, suggest that this can hardly be classified as significant
> interference in anyone's realistic evaluation... when compared to 
the
> commonplace (but disruptive) contesting, DX pileups, voice calling, 
or
> even spontaneous CQ calls on slow digi modes or slow CW. On the
> thermometer of "HF interference temperature", ALE is nearly 
freezing!
> 
> ALE sounding (station ID) occurs on only one frequency per ham 
band...
> in common ALE jargon: "the pilot channel". 90% of all ALE
> transmissions happen on that pilot channel frequency. ALE operators
> really have no need or desire to roam through various keyboarding
> frequencies on each band looking for contacts, CQing, or QRMing 
QSOs.
> If the link can't be made on one of the pilot channels, they either
> give up or wait a little while and try again on the channel. 
> 
> ALE pilot channel frequencies are in the automatic sub-bands (and
> widely published). ALE doesn't just pop up on keyboarding QSOs
> unexpectedly. The pilot channels are constantly active with ALE
> signals throughout the day, worldwide. For those who are not 
familiar
> with just how active they are, you can easily view "ALE Channel 
ZERO"
> site on the web, with a sample of the ALE activity happening right 
at
> this moment: 
> http://hflink.net/qso
> 
> The system of amateur radio developed ALE is as prime of an example 
of
> a ham-friendly 24-hour international HF calling and e-messaging 
system
> as anyone can point to. The ALE traffic on a pilot channel is
> time-multiplexed, with many stations sharing the same frequency 
slot.
> Sometimes you can see traffic interleaved with calling. This is 
quite
> a highly efficient use of the spectrum. 
> 
> It is likely that anyone who says they are getting their keyboarding
> QSO clobbered  by ALE is intentionally provoking trouble by 
purposely
> operating in the automatic sub-band, right on top of the active ALE
> pilot freq :)
> 
> The automatic sub-bands are the place on HF where time-division
> multiplexing and fast ARQ techniques are in active use. If one 
pauses
> for a minute, another station may use the frequency during the 
pause.
> It's not rude, and it is not QRM. It is normal. It is good
> time-efficiency in action. The automatic band segments are a stupid
> place to park a slow keyboarding digi mode... like they say, "If you
> can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." :) 
> 
> There are other non-ALE automatic stations sharing the same
> frequencies with ALE pilot channels. Many of these stations also are
> compatible with time-multiplex operation. Although this results in
> some QRM or waiting for QSOs, this is generally an acceptable
> compromise for our shared HF bands. It is part of the nature of
> operating on HF ham bands, that there are different methods of
> operation. Some are compatible with each other, some are not. If 
these
> concepts are kept in mind, with good intentions, tolerance and
> friendship, it is possible for harmony to exist among hams on the 
air.
> 
> 73 Bonnie KQ6XA
>


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