RE: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400

2006-11-29 Thread Mark Miller
Walt, I think there is no doubt that this is true. The question I have been struggling with is how much is enough/too much. I guess what I am looking for is a curve showing bandwidth vs. throughput for parallel tone modems, or maybe more precisely where is the point of diminishing returns?

Re: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400

2006-11-29 Thread Paul L Schmidt, K9PS
Mark Miller wrote: What my question boils down to is generally, what is the accepted maximum bandwidth of any signal in the Amateur HF bands, given the finite spectrum and many interests? There's the billion [insert local currency here] question. Or actually two questions: what's the

Re: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400

2006-11-29 Thread KV9U
The maximum accepted bandwidth for most modes is the width of an SSB transmitter since you can not go wider than that and communicate with the typical rigs of the day. We already have the basic modes to work high speeds with good conditions and slower speeds under difficult conditions. What we

RE: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400

2006-11-28 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400 Rick, To me it all depends on the channel behavior. On HF, with multipath, the parallel modem wins because the symbols can be made longer than the delay spread. Just observing the succesful implementations may lead anyone

Re: [digitalradio] USA: No Advanced Digital HF Data Comms for HamsRe: RFSM2400

2006-11-28 Thread Jose A. Amador
DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote: Jose, This is what I have been saying for a couple of years now. Se we are not alone. Research done by independent research laboratories and universities confirm that the best bet to increase throughput and robustness on HF channel modems is to