On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com
wrote:
On 09/26/2011 07:17 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
So, this all serves to rather emphasize my point, which is to say...
(LVM) Create snapshot,
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.comwrote:
From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com]
I don't think this is right. Running nagios on a snapshot would do
nothing. A snapshot is protected from change. Typically, what you would
do is this:
Create
On 09/26/2011 10:17 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Mark Woodwardma...@mohawksoft.com wrote:
On 09/26/2011 07:17 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
So, this all serves to rather emphasize my point, which is to say...
(LVM) Create snapshot, mount it, monitor it with nagios
Rich Braun wrote:
...at least not on Linux until ZFS is made available
as a stable kernel module. (The usual patent and licensing crap is
responsible for this situation.
ZFS has been integrated into the FreeBSD kernel (as I'm sure you know),
and despite being a less lucrative target for
ZFS has been integrated into the FreeBSD kernel (as I'm sure you know),
and despite being a less lucrative target for patent suits, is
theoretically subject to the same patent infringement liability, yet I
haven't heard of Sun/Oracle pursuing that.
ZFS was released under the CDDL license,
Bill Bogstad wrote:
Any snapshot implementation is going to require two different blocks
on disk for every block written while the snapshot exists. (i.e. the
original contents and the new contents of each virtual block which
has been written)
As I understand it, LVM uses the original
I believe the fear is mostly groundless. The AIA is an effort to harmonize US
patent law with the rest of the world. So far, US software patents have been
the most dangerous among software patents among the world... So, no fear.
From: Tom Metro
I disagree. First to invent favors entrepreneurs. First to file (AIA) favors
trolls. AIA is being pushed on us because of the fear of previous art that the
EFF has used to bust patents.
RL
On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang hsuan...@yahoo.com wrote:
I believe the fear is mostly
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I don't understand how first to invent favors entrepreneurs, while first to file
favors trolls. If independent inventors do not commercialize their own inventions, they would be considered
as trolls. AIA still keeps provisional application
1. Here is the quote in newly promulgated AIA, Sec. 102(a): A person shall be
entitled to a patent unless (1) the claimed invention was patented, described
in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to
the public before the effective filing date of the claimed
On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
As a non-storage professional, my option is that LVM snapshots were
glued-on as an afterthought, and have limited applications. ZFS
snapshots (and similar in NetApp filers) were designed into the
low-level file system architecture.
I can see why
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
I don't understand how first to invent favors entrepreneurs, while
first to file favors trolls.
Taking this thread back around to my original assertion, that this new law is
likely to chill open-source development: the whole point of open-source is
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 02:58:36PM -0700, Hsuan-Yeh Chang wrote:
2. Have you tried to file and prosecute a software patent
application with the Patent Office? You would then know how
difficult it is to pass mustard with those Examiners to get a
software patent allowed. I support strongly
I favor a return to the model requirement. When one submits a patent for an
invention one must include a functioning model of the invention.
--Rich P.
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From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com]
I was thinking, on my drive into work, about your scenario. On the
surface it sounds like a pretty good use of snapshots, but it is
actually pretty bad.
The assumed advantage is that there is some gold copy of a VM that
will be used for
On 9/27/2011 7:47 PM, Derek Martin wrote:
No it doesn't; there are much, much better arguments why all software
patents should be invalid. If you have 96 minutes to spend, rms has
given a very good talk on that very topic:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=669200964006594520
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss-
bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro
Generally speaking, the whole LVM concept seems quaint and requires a
lot of manual management. I haven't deployed it on a system since 2006.
Unfortunately, there
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.comwrote:
ZFS is part of solaris. Yes it's closed source now.
Open source is great for a lot of situations, but certainly not all.
Here's
what happened with ZFS: They open-sourced it. The community didn't
contribute.
In reply to Mark's points, I would note the following:
1) Algorithm by itself is not patentable. To get a patent from a new
algorithm, the new algorithm must be combined with or used in a patentable
method or product.
2) If A made an idea available to the public (by, e.g., journal
No matter who you are, no matter what open source license you release
something under, if you are the copyright holder, you have the right to
re-release your code under any new license you want, and you have the
right
Yes, re-release under a new license, but that doesn't invalidate the
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-...@vl.com wrote:
If you've ever played with rsync snapshots, the principle is the same,
only at the file level instead of the block level. With rsync snapshots
you have a set of real files, and then one or more directory trees that
consist of
On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
close-sourced it again. If you want ZFS, you must either pay snoracle, or
go use one of the forks which have not received significant development
effort in approx 1 year. If you do go use one of the forks, be aware the
only reason those
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