Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-16 Thread markw
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: I'm not sure why that sentiment wouldn't apply equally to Steve Jobs 'vision' and his contributions to computing.   Or anyone else for that matter.   Kind of makes this whole thread a waste of time. [snip] If you think

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-16 Thread markw
On Oct 16, 2011, at 8:05 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: For me, it is more two questions: (1) Which is more valuable form or function? and (2) Who is most responsible? I'm with Bill. The comparison is as much a waste of time as pondering whether Karl Benz or Henry Ford was more important

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-16 Thread Richard Pieri
On Oct 16, 2011, at 9:15 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Can it ever be said that it is a waste of time to contemplate the nature of the world in which we live? Comparing and contrasting Jobs and Ritchie, is interesting for understanding where we are and why. Its not a matter of who, but a

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-16 Thread markw
On Oct 16, 2011, at 9:15 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Can it ever be said that it is a waste of time to contemplate the nature of the world in which we live? Comparing and contrasting Jobs and Ritchie, is interesting for understanding where we are and why. Its not a matter of who, but a

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-16 Thread markw
On Oct 16, 2011, at 10:57 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: I'm not sure I agree. Many people can dream and be creative, opportunity to bring it to fruition is more elusive. It is a mixture of character and circumstance. It is not certain that either Jobs or Ritchie, outside of the

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-15 Thread b p
Let's not forget that Ritchie created the very platform/foundation that apple heavily relied on. --- On Sat, 10/15/11, Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel C. dcrooks...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution To: ma...@mohawksoft.com Cc: discuss@blu.org Date

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 10/15/2011 07:37 AM, b p wrote: Let's not forget that Ritchie created the very platform/foundation that apple heavily relied on. And what was that. The original Apple platforms, Apple II, Lisa, and Mac were not Unix based. Additionally, AFAIK, the Lisa used Pascal. I'm not sure when Apple

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 10/14/2011 11:39 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Had a little debate, at work, about the importance of the work two men. Steve Jobs and Dennis Ritchie. Who contributed more to the world and who created more wealth? We all know who had more money, but who was more important? Both men were

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-15 Thread Tom Metro
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Had a little debate, at work, about the importance of the work two men. Steve Jobs and Dennis Ritchie. Who contributed more to the world... Looking at it from the perspective of general consumers (not developers, which is a much smaller audience), this is an

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel C.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 7:37 AM, b p bruc...@yahoo.com wrote: Let's not forget that Ritchie created the very platform/foundation that apple heavily relied on. I thought about that too, but decided not to mention it. Human civilization is built on a few very simple discoveries and inventions

[Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-14 Thread markw
Had a little debate, at work, about the importance of the work two men. Steve Jobs and Dennis Ritchie. Who contributed more to the world and who created more wealth? We all know who had more money, but who was more important? ___ Discuss mailing list

Re: [Discuss] Econonomic contribution

2011-10-14 Thread Daniel C.
Ritchie. Jobs made things pretty, which helped people enjoy using them (and he was fantastic at it). But the actual work at Apple was done by other people. This leads to the question of whether vision and direction (which Jobs provided in spades) should be counted as less important than