Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-04 Thread Bill Horne
On 1/3/2012 11:56 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: I just heard about a company selling a product to maintain power on seized computers while you transport them: http://www.wiebetech.com/products/HotPlug.php It came up in the context of moving servers from one power jack to another one due to data

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption and backups

2012-01-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On 1/3/2012 10:32 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Ummm...yeah. You do realize that in order to use your data you need to decrypt it, right? :-) Yeah, but that data remains local within hopefully protected memory areas. Bacukps usually run to external storage of some sort, be they flash drives or NAS

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-04 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 01/03/2012 08:50 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: The built-in Fedora encryption is no trouble to establish (just check the box during installation) and maintain and on a multi-core desktop does not affect performance. An update from Fedora 13 to 16 did damage the boot record and make the disk

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-04 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:24:47AM -0500, Bill Horne wrote: Anyone buying this device would do well to have paid-up life insurance: the company is selling a UPS, but they're also selling cheater cords that allow their UPS to power a live outlet with a double-male connection cord, and that's

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-04 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 01/03/2012 11:46 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: gpg, virtualbox and /home encryption. only santa knows what i'm doing and he doesn't care. ...because you're permanently on the naughty list? :-P ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-04 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Ben Eisenbraun b...@klatsch.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:24:47AM -0500, Bill Horne wrote: Anyone buying this device would do well to have paid-up life insurance: the company is selling a UPS, but they're also selling cheater cords that allow their UPS

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-04 Thread Jack Coats
Starts sounding like it might be best to get a system like off-the-grid folks have, where they run inverters full time from batteries, and charge the batteries from whatever is available (PV solar, generators, wind, tractor/generators, steam engine/generators, or even just charger from the grid,

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-04 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 01/04/2012 04:23 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 01/03/2012 05:03 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Daniel Feenberg wrote: The built-in Fedora encryption is no trouble to establish... What tool do they use? Any other distributions that provide an integrated

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: Fedora allows you to do whole partition/volume encryption with the installer very easily. Fedora does so using dm-crypt/LUKS which can encrypt arbitrary block devices. Fedora provides the option to encrypt entire disks or individual

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-04 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 01/04/2012 04:23 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 01/03/2012 05:03 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Daniel Feenberg wrote: The built-in Fedora encryption is no trouble to establish... What tool do they use? Any

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/02/2012 08:10 PM, Chris O'Connell wrote: The password used to decrypt the disk and log in to Windows is the same. Thus the process is more transparent for users. Instead of having to enter two (sometimes unrelated) passwords with Truecrypt, BitLocker users only enter one password. Same

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, Tom Metro wrote: The EFF recently tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/153306301965938688): @EFF Call to action for 2012: full disk encryption on every machine you own! Who's with us? eff.org/r.3Ng Which links to this article:

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Jim Gasek there is a performance hit. There may be a performance hit in some situations, but not on modern or decent computers with decent encryption. I have two points to

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Chris O'Connell ALSO, NO FULL DISK ENCRYPTION should ever be used on an SSD drive. Performance will drop by 30% and the drive's wear-leveling system and TRIM won't function

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Tom Metro What makes Microsoft BitLocker better than TrueCrypt? Each is better in its own way. Bitlocker is better if you're an IT person who wants to protect your internal users

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Chris O'Connell
A couple of more supporting links regarding TRIM and wear-leveling (from Truecrypt): http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=trim-operation http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=wear-leveling On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Chris O'Connell omegah...@gmail.comwrote: That has not been my experience at all.

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Chris O'Connell [mailto:omegah...@gmail.com] (snipped and moved top post to bottom) On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.com wrote: ALSO, NO FULL DISK ENCRYPTION should ever be used on an SSD drive. Performance will drop by 30% and the drive's

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Chris O'Connell [mailto:omegah...@gmail.com] http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=trim-operation Given: Truecrypt permits TRIM. And if you TRIM, an attacker may be able to identify some information, such as degrading your plausible deniability in some cases, or something like that.

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Chris O'Connell
Perhaps the use of the word NEVER is too strong or misleading. From personal experience I can say that given the performance decrease using TrueCrypt on an SSD drive I would never encrypt an SSD drive using TrueCrypt. I haven't tried BitLocker on an SSD drive yet. You have really proven your

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Metro
Bill Horne wrote: Oa k'wala wrote: Any thoughts on the kind of security risk I might be vulnerable to because I only encrypt my home dir as opposed to the full disk? Many applications use /tmp or /var files as working storage, and they leave ghosts behind. As does swap. -Tom -- Tom

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: Tom Metro wrote: Are you using full disk encryption? I don't. I take care of my gear. I made this statement before: I see WDE as enabler for carelessness. The EFF article I quoted references a prior EFF article on border crossing inspections. The encouragement to

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Metro
Daniel Feenberg wrote: The built-in Fedora encryption is no trouble to establish... What tool do they use? Any other distributions that provide an integrated solution? -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA Enterprise solutions through open source. Professional Profile:

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption and backups

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: And this is the great big rub with WDE: backups. File-level backups are decrypted when sent to the backup system unless the backup system itself re-encrypts everything. I'm not sure I see the big problem with backups, unless you simply find file-level backups undesirable

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption and backups

2012-01-03 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Richard Pieri wrote: And this is the great big rub with WDE: backups. File-level backups are decrypted when sent to the backup system unless the backup system itself re-encrypts everything. Generalizations galore! ;-) I suppose that depends on your choice of backup software, now doesn't

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Tom Metro wrote: Daniel Feenberg wrote: The built-in Fedora encryption is no trouble to establish... What tool do they use? Any other distributions that provide an From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Implementing_LUKS_Disk_Encryption#Introduction_to_LUKS

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-03 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 3, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Kyle Leslie wrote: One of the huge benefits I think is that the encryption keys/recovery keys can be stored in AD. So that if you need to unlock or change the drives around you don't need to have the user store that some place to get lost/stolen. It stores in AD

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption, why bother?

2012-01-03 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Tom Metro tmetro-...@vl.com wrote: ... Daniel Feenberg wrote: I don't see much point in encrypting data on a network server - if the disk is mounted then the plain-text is available to an intruder and the addition of an encrypted version doesn't enhance

[Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread Tom Metro
The EFF recently tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/153306301965938688): @EFF Call to action for 2012: full disk encryption on every machine you own! Who's with us? eff.org/r.3Ng Which links to this article:

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread Jim Gasek
: From: Tom Metro tmetro-...@vl.com To: L-blu discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Full disk encryption Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:55:34 -0500 The EFF recently tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/153306301965938688): @EFF Call to action for 2012: full disk encryption on every machine you own

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread Chris O'Connell
-...@vl.com wrote: From: Tom Metro tmetro-...@vl.com To: L-blu discuss@blu.org Subject: [Discuss] Full disk encryption Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:55:34 -0500 The EFF recently tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/EFF/status/153306301965938688): @EFF Call to action for 2012: full disk encryption

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Tom Metro wrote: What makes Microsoft BitLocker better than TrueCrypt? ... because it protects against more attack modes than other software. Are you using full disk encryption? If so, what tool are you using? I don't. I take care of my gear. I made this

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread a k'wala
What makes Microsoft BitLocker better than TrueCrypt? I've used TrueCrypt; no experience w/ BitLocker. Are you using full disk encryption? If so, what tool are you using? I use Ubuntu which allows encryption of the home directory. I keep all of my personal/sensitive stuff in the home

Re: [Discuss] Full disk encryption

2012-01-02 Thread Bill Horne
On 1/3/2012 12:16 AM, a k'wala wrote: Any thoughts on the kind of security risk I might be vulnerable to because I only encrypt my home dir as opposed to the full disk? Many applications use /tmp or /var files as working storage, and they leave ghosts behind. Bill -- Bill Horne