Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-15 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:08:05AM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: We are running 2 208VAC circuits. We have 7 old Intel Whitebox systems ... (http://goo.gl/L3GpJ). I preferred the 5-20R because all of my systems can plug directly into it without me having to add additional cables. 5-20R are

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Matt Shields [mailto:m...@mattshields.org] I also have a killawatt but the problem comes when I have to work on someone else's live equipment.  The clampon ammeter means I don't have to shut the server's off. I can also clamp on to the rack's main power feed if I don't have a APC PDU.

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-14 Thread Tom Metro
Matt Shields wrote: The clampon ammeter means I don't have to shut the server's off. I can also clamp on to the rack's main power feed... I gather there is a point in the power feed where you can access the hot conductor separately from the neutral? Others may not be aware that you can't just

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Tom Metro
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Hold it. P=VI is a DC rule. Power is more complex in AC. What's the difference between VA and W? If you have inefficient power supplies, you might be overpaying 30% for power. You're referring to power factor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor The

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
I think it was Apple (Apple II) that used the first switching power supply, but that was at the time when competition was limited to a few hobby computer builders (about 1977). On 10/13/2011 12:29 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Hold it. P=VI is a DC rule. Power is more

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
One question I have is in planning. One day we received a shipment of about 5 or 6 Intel systems from out Toronto office. We ordered a rack, switch, and a rack KVM. We initially plugged everything in to a wall outlet. ran fine until it tripped a breaker, and the breaker box was not in the

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Matt Shields
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: One question I have is in planning. One day we received a shipment of about 5 or 6 Intel systems from out Toronto office. We ordered a rack, switch, and a rack KVM. We initially plugged everything in to a wall outlet. ran fine

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Matt Shields A long time ago I got fed up with trying to calculate amperage, so I invested in a clamp on ammeter. Then I test my servers when I get them and record the high and

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-13 Thread Matt Shields
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Edward Ned Harvey b...@nedharvey.comwrote: From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Matt Shields A long time ago I got fed up with trying to calculate amperage, so I invested in a

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Kowalski Does anyone have any experience with running server equipment (Dell Power Edges, HP Proliant DL G7s HP c7000 Enclosures) at 208 VAC instead of 120 VAC? Right

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-12 Thread Jack Coats
Back in the days of mainframes, 208 3ph was a normal choice.  Especially for large disk drives (large datawise for back them, today they are just large physically). If you are doing mainframe datacenters, yes, 208 3ph is still a reasonable standard. And even APCC sells UPSes that deliver that too

[Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-11 Thread Matthew Kowalski
Does anyone have any experience with running server equipment (Dell Power Edges, HP Proliant DL G7s HP c7000 Enclosures) at 208 VAC instead of 120 VAC? Right now we're running 20 Amp circuits at 120 VAC but I've been reading some on the web about better efficiency at 208V along with additional

Re: [Discuss] Server Room Power

2011-10-11 Thread Kurt Keville
I have a similar arrangement in one of my rooms but we haven't exercised the switchover to 208V because we implemented a number of power saving features on the 120V circuits that resulted in us never needing (or more accurately never getting) additional power to the servers. We have various