Hi,
Von: Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
It looks good to me and covers most of the points I am familiar with in
other volunteer organisations.
The ND Manifesto is mentioned twice, but I don't know what or where
that is.
thanks for the reminder - I changed the text to be links.
When will it be possible to send messages to the TDF mail lists via Gmane
*without* having to be subscribed to the mail lists themselves? Currently,
to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it *and* the TDF lists which
completely defeats the purpose of the Gmane interface.
NB Gmane already
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:15 +0200, Erich Christian wrote:
Hi Jean, *
Am 19.10.2010 08:46, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber:
On Mon, 2010-10-18, André Schnabel wrote:
To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
It looks good to
Hi,
Harold Fuchs wrote on 2010-10-19 09.52:
When will it be possible to send messages to the TDF mail lists via Gmane
*without* having to be subscribed to the mail lists themselves? Currently,
to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it*and* the TDF lists which
completely defeats the
Hi Paul,
Paul A Norman wrote on 2010-10-19 04.29:
I have tried to delist from this fiasco and I am still getting emails
I propose you actually do *read* the e-mails that are sent to you.
1. E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how
to unsubscribe
2. Then you
Hi Ramon, *
Von: Ramon Sole ramon.s...@opscons.com
I would seriously reconsider the way I deal with my volunteer
communities.
Agree. And that's they're doing exactly. They're asking TDF involved
people to resign from their OOo responsabilities. Nobody asked to nobody
to leave the Ooo
On 19 oct. 10, at 18:15, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Jean-Christophe Helary wrote on 2010-10-19 02.22:
I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the
linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all
identified by a specific
Hallo André,
André Schnabel schrieb:
For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread
alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and
the word Membership in the subject.
I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion,
Very little response so
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 03:09:56PM +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Daniel Veillard wrote on 2010-10-18 15.05:
I would suggest to create a blog aggegator (planet.documentfoundation.org)
and post both (or just links) to try to reach a larger audience.
have you actually tried
Christoph, you have a really good point. And the true that the try to
catch strategic is a bad one past some degree, now is the time to innovate
as MSOffice have taken a radical UI approach change and leave us with the
possibility to innovate based in the LibO / old MSOffice UI even if we start
to
Basically, you NEED to change the UI itself. According to what I've watched in
the Renaissance project of OpenOffice.org, they will try a UI that will look
like the Ribbon but a more dynamic strip of UI above and below the document
contents. After these mockups they actually similar to the
In data 18 ottobre 2010 alle ore 18:44:25, André Schnabel
andre.schna...@gmx.net ha scritto:
To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the
Hi,
Gianluca Turconi wrote on 2010-10-19 13.39:
Maybe, you could skip passage #1 and directly attach the unsubscription
address to the ML messages.
the unsubscription addresses are different for digest and non-digest
subscriptions. Therefore, I refer to the help address, which shows both
On 2010-10-18 6:13 PM, Andy Brown wrote:
Not trying to put words in your mouth, so to speak, but I think you
intended without instead of with. Which I agree with. There should
have been better planing on several levels.
This isn't productive... how about making suggestions for how to improve
On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the OP on
the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use Reply All?
The purpose of Reply-To header is to manage how replies are handled.
Reply All is not necessary if the Reply-To
I'm not a programmer but... If you make a choice for the end users to choose
what UI they should use. Before using LibreOffice, a dialog box will show up
saying what UI do you prefer. Classic or Modern (Just make sure put a
description as tool tips) so there will be no depreciation of UI's
Sorry for typing that (I was too excited for the RTM version). I have a
question... Why is the Beta 2 twice as big as Beta 1?
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Basically, you NEED to change the UI itself. According to what I've watched
in the Renaissance project of OpenOffice.org, they will try a UI that will
look like the Ribbon but a more dynamic strip of UI above and below the
document contents.
On 2010-10-18 10:39 PM, Paul A Norman wrote:
I've tried to delist and I am still getting emails.
What precisely have you done? Did you follow the full process, including
the *confirmation* step (seems to be the one that mtrips up most people)...
I had some real issues with the Writer/Web html
I know... Just thirsty for change... Maybe try the Mozilla thunderbird UI in
future releases.
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2010/10/19 Xi Embalsado newecrea...@hotmail.com:
Sorry for typing that (I was too excited for the RTM version). I have a
question... Why is the Beta 2 twice as big as Beta 1?
It contains about fifty languages for the UI.
Regards
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On 19 oct. 10, at 19:35, Cor Nouws wrote:
In any case, the current global lists are not global, they are
English lists and should be identified as such.
They are handling global items, as I see it.
I do not mind if some people post there in a language that I do not
understand (and there
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:49 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
... how about making suggestions for how to improve
things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done?
IIRC, several people have suggested some small changes to the current
website that would make a significant
Sorry... I'm new here and my inbox is getting to be 700 messages filled up.
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On 2010-10-19 7:44 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
the unsubscription addresses are different for digest and non-digest
subscriptions. Therefore, I refer to the help address, which shows both
ways.
We already had complaints from people who didn't manage to unsubscribe
from the digest...
I
On 2010-10-19 8:11 AM, Xi Embalsado wrote:
WOW! I could never fit a size 50 to a size 2! Well at least don't go
to the Microsoft Office size (600MB) Better make things in separate
languages. Sorry for some big comments there...
What would make more sense to me is to make one installer with
On 2010-10-19 8:12 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:49 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
... how about making suggestions for how to improve
things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done?
IIRC, several people have suggested some small changes to the
If wee want a really customizable UI the best way is to go to something like
Mocilla XULL adapted to LibO, but is needed to put limitations to the
customization of what can be done to make the core and a UI with a good
decoupling and prevent a bloated system ( basically limiting it exclusively
to
Le 2010-10-19 07:54, Xi Embalsado a écrit :
I'm not a programmer but... If you make a choice for the end users to choose
what UI they should use. Before using LibreOffice, a dialog box will show up
saying what UI do you prefer. Classic or Modern (Just make sure put a
description as tool
Hi Gianluca,
Von: Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community.
Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear.
I'm
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:37:02 +0200, Gianluca Turconi
m...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
I've read that post, but I think you're reiterating an old misconception
by confusing the Document Foundation with the wider LibreOffice Community.
Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They
On 2010-10-17 10:05 PM, Paul A Norman wrote:
Re early discussion on Wondpws install and unpacked install files...
Would they need to be present for the Windows Control Panel/ Add
remove Programs/ Support Info -
- Repair button to work?
Yes. This is why I always store these on a shared
On 2010-10-19 5:12 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
I propose you actually do *read* the e-mails that are sent to you.
1. E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how
to unsubscribe
2. Then you get To unsubscribe send a message to:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:49 , Charles Marcus wrote:
...
This isn't productive... how about making suggestions for how to improve
things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done?
(from the original post)
Action point 1: redirect TDF to LibO and not vice versa or have TDF
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:49 , Charles Marcus wrote:
...
This isn't productive... how about making suggestions for how to improve
things going forward and stop complaining about what is already done?
Better still, kill the conversation in here, as has been suggested twice now,
and continue it
Hi, :-)
Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software
Foundation project and avoid a lot of duplicated work, wasted time and
endless discussion setting things up?
David Nelson
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On 2010-10-19 9:00 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:50 , Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the
OP on the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use
Reply All?
The purpose
Hi all,
Bernhard Dippold wrote (19-10-10 00:23)
Hi Barbara, all,
[...]
It's hard to read all the mails and to reply to the most important only
(in my eyes).
I will probably not be able to contribute much to this thread (or to the
wiki) during the next few weeks - but I promise to stay on
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:42:26, Andre Schnabel
andre.schna...@gmx.net ha scritto:
Hmm .. so the first topic (term definition Member) is not very clear.
I'm not speaking about members of legal entity The Docuemnt Foundation
but of those people who will be recognised as the community
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:43:01, Sebastian Spaeth
sebast...@sspaeth.de ha scritto:
Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They have about
30,000 active contributors, aka community members, but around 250 or so
active foundation members. Membership is formally
Hi Jean-Christophe,
Jean-Christophe Helary wrote (19-10-10 14:10)
On 19 oct. 10, at 19:35, Cor Nouws wrote:
In any case, the current global lists are not global, they are
English lists and should be identified as such.
They are handling global items, as I see it. I do not mind if some
Hi,
André Schnabel schrieb:
One of the very basic questions to answer is:
Who is a member at TDF.
Is there meant the membership in the TDF or in the LibreOffice-Community?
Well - we (the Steering Committee) do not have a detailed answer on
this, as we think that the voice of our
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:35:45, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis
el...@users.sourceforge.net ha scritto:
If wee want a really customizable UI the best way is to go to something
like
Mocilla XULL adapted to LibO
I know people who would kill because of XUL slowness in Moz UI. :)
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On 19 oct. 10, at 23:13, Cor Nouws wrote:
Joining the global users lists, gives the largest public, so more
knowledge / international exchange. I find that useful in some
cases.
That works only for people who understand English. So it is not
global by definition.
That is true, so a
2010/10/18 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
Hi,
as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an
independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation should
be lead by it's members, based on their merit.
One of the very basic questions to answer is:
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 18:25 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
On 19 oct. 10, at 18:15, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi,
Jean-Christophe Helary wrote on 2010-10-19 02.22:
the global discussion list should not be a mere discussion list but a
policy list where only items of global
true is that the user needs are the best inspiration for the innovation.
So t reach the masses we need a user interface for mobile devices and web
access but that has coding implications beyond just the UI.
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Le 2010-10-18 20:22, Jean-Christophe Helary a écrit :
I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the
linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all
identified by a specific language marker and that all the lists that do not use
that
On 20 oct. 10, at 00:05, Marc Paré wrote:
I was under the impression that we were all in agreement, that the lingua
franca of the mailists is English and that localized mailists were to
encourage users to contribute in their own language.
I think that is a mistaken view of the issues at
On 10/19/2010 09:25 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
There is no need for a global user list and the global discussion list
should not be a mere discussion list but a policy list
Global lists should be multi-lingual. Use it for support or discussion,
or marketing for languages or regions
- Original Message
From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:05:50 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:34:33, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha
Il 19/10/2010 17.19, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
[...]
So, if I understand you well, you do indeed raise a good question, but
one which, to me, adds more gray zones. Let me rephrase how I
understand your position: you are afraid that we're mixing the
membership of the Foundation and the
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:42:00 -0500,
Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org a écrit :
2010/10/18 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
Hi,
as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an
independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation
should be
Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:39:29 +0200,
Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit :
Il 19/10/2010 17.19, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
[...]
So, if I understand you well, you do indeed raise a good question,
but one which, to me, adds more gray zones. Let me rephrase how I
On 10/19/2010 12:52 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
Currently,
to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it *and* the TDF lists which
completely defeats the purpose of the Gmane interface.
I agree, having to sign up in two places is inconvenient, and it
shouldn't be that way, but it doesn't
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Ramon Sole ramon.s...@opscons.com wrote:
Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
On 18/10/10 21:32, Ramon Sole wrote:
Hello *,
I'm not talking about Charles, but i.e in the Spanish Communitiy the
Project Leader has closed the subscription to the OOo spanish
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:53 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote:
Hi all!
Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 11:29 +0200 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
Very little response so far. My personal reason why I didn´t
respond: 100% accordance.
+1 (but I will continue to think about that...)
;-)
+1 ;-)
Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto:
Kohei Yoshida píše v St 13. 10. 2010 v 11:55 -0400:
Sorry for the top-posting, but I wanted to preserve the context for Petr
(CC'ed).
Petr is the man you want to talk to with this sort of question. I'm
sure he'll provide more details on this.
Hi Daniel,
Daniel Veillard wrote on 2010-10-19 11.43:
Damn, I really had tried ... I probably failed to type this correctly
thoughconfused/, sorry ! I see the link now in Contact, so really
was may fault.
no problem. I agree the website could use some improvement, and we're
working on
On 10/19/2010 06:00 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:50 , Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the OP on
the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use Reply All?
The purpose of
Hi,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 14.37:
Was it you that complained about this before?
All you have to do is subscribe to the NOMAIL version of the list, this
way you are a member and can post, but do not get emails from the list -
so it does NOT defeat the purpose.
But... yes,
Hi,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 14.45:
Again, the problem is people are not REPLYING TO the confirmation email
they get.
This needs to be documented much more prominently.
I look into providing a web interface soon. In the meantime, people
simply need to read their mail ;)
Florian
Hi,
Jon Hamkins wrote on 2010-10-19 18.43:
Unless the reply should be addressed to someone other than the sender,
the Reply-To shouldn't be set. Mailing list servers often add a
Reply-To header, so that discussion is directed to the list.
the reply-to header is set on purpose. When replying
Carlo Strata píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 18:25 +0200:
Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto:
You might find the first packages at
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/
I'm preparing my notebook to the Italian Linux Day (on October the 23th).
On my OpenSuSE
On 19 October 2010 13:37, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote:
On 2010-10-19 3:52 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
When will it be possible to send messages to the TDF mail lists via
Gmane *without* having to be subscribed to the mail lists
themselves? Currently, to use Gmane you need to
On 2010/10/19 7:00 AM James Wilde wrote:
At the moment I'm using Mac Mail, which pulls the sender's name if I press
Reply, and everybody's name if I press Reply All. As far as I remember Outlook
has the same characteristics. I can't remember what T-Bird did on Linux and I
haven't used
2010/10/19 Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com
In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:35:45, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis
el...@users.sourceforge.net ha scritto:
If wee want a really customizable UI the best way is to go to something
like
Mocilla XULL adapted to LibO
I know people
Hi,
Am 19.10.2010 20:10, schrieb Marc Paré:
Hierarchy:
We need to talk about Hirachy for sure but ...
The Document Foundation is the umbrella group where all projects answer
to it. Presently, under this umbrella, there is only 1 project:
LibreOffice. There is however, the potential for
Le 2010-10-19 11:17, Jean-Christophe Helary a écrit :
On 20 oct. 10, at 00:05, Marc Paré wrote:
I was under the impression that we were all in agreement, that the lingua
franca of the mailists is English and that localized mailists were to encourage
users to contribute in their own
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary
jean.christophe.hel...@gmail.com wrote:
• From: Bernhard Dippold
• Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:46:30 +0200
2) Name these lists according to the ISO country code of the most active
group inside this region.
It is unlikely that EN-CA
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Le 2010-10-19 15:00, André Schnabel a écrit :
Hi,
Am 19.10.2010 20:10, schrieb Marc Paré:
Hierarchy:
We need to talk about Hirachy for sure but ...
The Document Foundation is the umbrella group where all projects answer
to it. Presently, under this umbrella, there is only 1 project:
Le 2010-10-19 15:09, Mike Dupont a écrit :
2010/10/19 André Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net:
this just moves the problem from defining a TDF-member to the problem of
Here is a sarcastic definition of member :
A member of DF is someone who is not working for some big
unenlightened company
Hi Harold,
Harold Fuchs wrote on 2010-10-12 10.28:
I just noticed that the TDF Donations web page at
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ gives bank account
details for something called Openoffice.org Deutschland e.V.
Does this mean the money goes to Oracle?
no. Team
On 2010-10-19 12:48 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
In the meantime, people simply need to read their mail ;)
Heh... I guess that day will come around the same time that hell freezes
over, pigs fly and monkeys come out of my butt... ;)
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On 2010/10/19 2:33 PM Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-19 2:43 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
if even the GMANE admins cannot tell me exactly how to make it work that
their verified accounts can send to us without subscription, I honestly
don't care a lot.
I seem to recall once when I was
On 2010-10-19 4:44 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
The following is from http://gmane.org/post.php:
*Posting Messages*
snip
Here's how it works.
1. The first time you post something to a newsgroup, Gmane spools
the message and sends
you an email asking you to respond.
On 2010/10/19 2:51 PM Charles Marcus wrote:
So... according to this, Harold and/or anyone else using gmane should
already be able to post? Has anyone tested it?
Only if you are subscribed to the mailing list as well. Gmane says posting is allowed but they
only go through if you are also
On 10/18/2010 11:38 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:09 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote:
Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the
emails come rolling
Does this constitute nuisnace email now?
Paul
Sure - you click on reply to the confirmation emails -
On 10/19/2010 10:55 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2010/10/19 10:06 AM Jon Hamkins wrote:
On 10/19/2010 12:52 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
Currently, to use Gmane you need to be subscribed to both it
*and* the TDF lists which completely defeats the purpose of the
Gmane interface.
I agree, having to
On 10/19/2010 09:51 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Jon Hamkins wrote on 2010-10-19 18.43:
Unless the reply should be addressed to someone other than the sender,
the Reply-To shouldn't be set. Mailing list servers often add a
Reply-To header, so that discussion is directed to the list.
the
On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote:
Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always
be difficult to accomplish. The amount of energy spent on translating from
one language to another would certainly affect the overall effectiveness of
the group.
Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
Howdy Jean-Christophe,
On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote:
Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always be
difficult to accomplish. The amount
Hi!
Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 19:35 +0800 schrieb Xi Embalsado:
Basically, you NEED to change the UI itself. According to what I've
watched in the Renaissance project of OpenOffice.org, they will try a
UI that will look like the Ribbon but a more dynamic strip of UI above
and below the
Le 2010-10-19 20:58, Marc Paré a écrit :
Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
Howdy Jean-Christophe,
On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote:
Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model
will always
On 2010/10/19 4:27 PM Jon Hamkins wrote:
On 10/19/2010 10:55 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
Wrong. The purpose of gmane is to receive and write messages with a
newsreader rather than an email client.
Oh, please.
1. This purpose is *also* not defeated by having to be subscribed to the
mailing
Le 2010-10-19 21:10, Marc Paré a écrit :
Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model
will always be difficult to accomplish. The amount of energy spent
on translating from one language to another would certainly affect
the overall effectiveness of the group. Satisfying
Le 2010-10-19 11:21, jonathon a écrit :
On 10/19/2010 09:25 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
There is no need for a global user list and the global discussion list should not be a mere
discussion list but a policy list
Global lists should be multi-lingual. Use it for support or
Hi Marco,
M. Fioretti wrote (20-10-10 05:46)
[...]
The real question was why didn't the TDF founders who have/had
official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th,
one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been
much more proper, considering that creating
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