Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com meant to write: - sorry, the pronoun 'you' - I was _not_ talking about you the individual there. Ahh, yes of course Sorry! Silly me ! Best wishes, Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:50, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: If you're a power user, one might prefer to have a purely icon/tooltip-based interface? Actually, one program UI that I personally find nicely laid out is Inkscape... Obviously, this would be more of a power

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote in message news:4cbfd099.7050...@documentfoundation.org... Hi, Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-19 21.09: The following is from http://gmane.org/post-details.php . Note the MAIL FROM envelope has to be someth...@gmane.org. It is currently

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote in message news:4cbfcdf9.4000...@documentfoundation.org... Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: Bummer... my point is that non-subbed posters should simply be sent a REJECT message with instructions on how to subscribe - or

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:17:47 -0400, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: If there is so much time wasted dealing with non-subscribers, then we need to re-evaluate our lists and take a close look at what we are doing wrong. Our LibO suite is so popular that so many new users call on us for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:40:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. While I agree that organizing good user support is important, I feel that most of the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote in message news:87tykgrn1e@sspaeth.de... On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:40:31 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers.

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-21 01:26, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.18: (including lists) for the long run... Anyway, at a minimum, I would dearly love to see simple list specific pages for subscribing/unsubscribing. Mailman generates these out of the box, so its not

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: This line has been modified because there is a different way to unsubscribe from digest lists. We had a thread here complaining about digest users couldn't unsubscribe at all. ?? That makes no sense. Each list has it's *own* footer, right (if not,

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Florian is already working on a solution using a webform or something like that, so please keep your mood and wait a bit longer. I know that it is unsatisfactory to see problems addressed earlier to reappear - but even if the day would have 36

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:22 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: Bummer... my point is that non-subbed posters should simply be sent a REJECT message with instructions on how to subscribe - or better, a nice instructive web page with detailed instructions on the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:23 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Can the Reply-to header not be fixed (by the list manager software or by an associated script) to include the OP if that OP is not subscribed? if someone submits a patch for mlmmj, our mailing lists software, then yes. Otherwise no. Ok,

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of people not getting responses they would benefit from. I totally disagree. The only time this wouldn't work is if

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Eduardo Moreno
El 20/10/10 19:40, Jean Hollis Weber escribió: If you don't want to expend the time and energy to support people at their own level, that's okay. Just don't get directly involved with users; do something else. /rant --Jean In Mexico, three companies are working on updating our solutions to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 9:20 PM, MiguelAngel wrote: On 21/10/10 2:40, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. Why are we expending so much time and energy to produce the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 1:10 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.08: Well, as a blanket statement that isn't true of mailman... One example: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-us...@python.org/msg37624.html MM3 is going to be mucho better in this regard... at

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 21:58, Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net wrote: Very nice indeed. However, I still haven't found a way to do anything significant with it whereas I have no such problems with Draw or Visio. But it brings the other question: Inkscape is also another vector-based

[tdf-discuss] Adoption of LibreOffice

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
There's an interesting article about OpenOffice 3.3 beta in Computer Weekly (the world's first weekly computer magazine) this week. It's at http://www.computerweekly.com/galleries/243287-1/First-look-at-OpenOffice-beta.htm. It's 10 short comments each accompanied by a photo. The 5th slide has a

[tdf-discuss] Mac Java update breaks LibreOffice

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Gusaas
The latest Java update for Macs breaks Java (1.6.0_22) use in LibreOffice and OOo. There is a OOo bug report (it is a showstopper for OOo 3.3) : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=115180 Also has been discussed on:

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ciao Gianluca, Le Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:37:14 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 17.37, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: yes. So now, do you like what you see?:-) Well, generally speaking, yes. I'm just a bit worried about the point of view about

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Michel, 2010/10/21 Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net Le 2010-10-21 03:25, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:50, David Nelsoncomme...@traduction.biz wrote: If you're a power user, one might prefer to have a purely icon/tooltip-based interface? Actually, one

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Charles, *, Charles Marcus schrieb: On 2010-10-20 6:41 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: This line has been modified because there is a different way to unsubscribe from digest lists. We had a thread here complaining about digest users couldn't unsubscribe at all. ?? That makes no sense. Each

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-21 4:38 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Youre right *but* AFAIK the digest mails are a container of the mails sent during the day. And *those* single mails hold the footer of the original one posted. Ahh... right. forgot about that... interesting problem... Probably should add the

[tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting Minutes 2010-10-20 Available

2010-10-21 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi everyone, the most recent Steering Committee meeting minutes are available: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2010-10-20 Agenda 2010-10-20: * Update on: get discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) *

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 9:52 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of people not getting responses they would benefit from. I totally

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/21/2010 12:02 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an enormous difference there, as well. Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you back up there to the openoffice level you are

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Howdy Barbara I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two top-level ones, as for OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 17:09 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster whenever a response is posted to a thread they created. Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly haven't used

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Harold Fuchs
Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote in message news:4cc0ba20.70...@onr.com... On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: snip Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster whenever a response is posted to a thread they created. Well now, that's *very*

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 10/21/2010 6:28 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Many forums, and wiki pages, allow you to tick a box to watch them, even if you didn't originate them, and then you'll get a notification of each response. I agree, though, that it's a nuisance to not have the response itself show up in one's

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Marcus
On 10/21/2010 5:18 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: I'd just like to make sure I'm clear on this, OK? If I get a message with a Reply-To header, and respond to it using Reply, not only does the response go to those in the Reply-To header, Yes it goes to everyone in the Reply-To header... but that