Re: [steering-discuss] contacting LibO and TDF domain holders

2010-12-30 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2010-12-27 17.37: I think it does need doing at some point if you are happy doing it then that is fantastic:) thanks a lot. :-) Since nobody objected, I will start writing to the domain owners after January 10th. If someone wants to vetoe, now's the time. :-)

[tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Larry Gusaas
I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source formats. See the following:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Symons
I support Larry's position. Carl Symons On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice  until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread RGB ES
openxml is a really bad thing for the community. It was a shame its approval by iso, specially if we consider there was no working implementation of it (not even msoffice support that standard!!) By implementing this format on LibO we are not helping to improve the (absurd myth of)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread RGB ES
2010/12/30 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid That means nothing. MSOffice will be able to read the previous formats for a while, I think... -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2010 12:27 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Symons
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice  until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Symons
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2010 12:27 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There

[tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/12/30 2:14 PM Steven Shelton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2010 12:27 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in

[tdf-discuss] starwars, random smileys etc

2010-12-30 Thread Clio
The functions mentioned in [1] no more work in OOo 3.3.0/LibO 3.3.0 ? [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Easter_Eggs -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Carl Symons carlsym...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 3:47:30 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com Even MS Office users (prior to 2007) have had trouble with this docx fraud. Perhaps LibO and all other Open Source projects - and perhaps anyone supporting ODF for that matter - should treat OOXML like Microsoft

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 12/30/2010 4:14 PM, BRM wrote: - Original Message snip We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means in a few years most organizations that support governments will need to

Re: [tdf-discuss] starwars, random smileys etc

2010-12-30 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Clio, Clio schrieb: The functions mentioned in [1] no more work in OOo 3.3.0/LibO 3.3.0 ? [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Easter_Eggs Yes, in Calc the EEs STARCALCTEAM, ANTWORT, and GAME have been removed. TTT does not work any more as EE, but its opcode is retained,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com snip We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means in a few years most organizations that support governments will

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Andy Brown
On Thu Dec 30 2010 12:19:55 GMT-0800 (PST) Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid If M$ were to use the proper standard then I would have no problem with the OOXML usage.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Symons
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: several thread entries truncated I will not support  or use LibreOffice  until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling  writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in  this proprietary format. To

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Wolf Halton
I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments. Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007, most of the time. Word allows reading and writing odf format. It

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Paul Gress
On 12/30/10 08:09 PM, Carl Symons wrote: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=2493p=169740#p169507 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101219121621828 ; Unless this changes I will strongly advocate in the support groups I participate the people stay with

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Olivier Hallot
HI Em 30-12-2010 18:41, Larry Gusaas escreveu: On 2010/12/30 2:19 PM Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: OOXML will spread anyway because MS Office 2007 and 2010 use this format by default. Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid Yes you can do something about it. Don't enable writing in that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Symons
Thank you Olivier for jumping in on this as one of the TDF founders. And thank you for helping to make LibreOffice happen. More below... On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: HI Em 30-12-2010 18:41, Larry Gusaas escreveu: On 2010/12/30

[tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/12/30 7:09 PM Carl Symons wrote: One minor point here...OOo also supports writing to docx format. Official OpenOffice.org builds do not support writing to the .docx format. The Go-OO derivative does write to the .docx format (probably because of the agreement between Microsoft and

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Sean White
I have come into this thread a little late but i may just have a slightly clearer view of things. In the world of office suites, MS almost has a monopoly. They have the power to to make their formats the standard. IF LibreOffice pulls .docx support then people WONT congratulate us on the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Mike Hall
Maybe saving in ...x formats should be disabled by default so that the user must make a conscious decision to allow them. But to some extent this discussion misses two key points: 1) Application quality The default de-facto format will inevitably follow the dominant application. It's probably

[tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/12/31 1:02 AM Sean White wrote: IF LibreOffice pulls .docx support then people WONT congratulate us on the strength of our morals. Nobody suggest not being able to read .docx files, only that LibO should no be able to write to that format. They will instead see an 'office suite'