Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:58:07 -0400 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: Howdy Jean-Christophe, On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote: Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 03:55, Manfred Usselmann a écrit : Keine Ahnung, was das heisst? Ich denke, die Mischung verschiedener Sprachen in einem Diskussionsstrang macht überhaupt keinen Sinn und führt letztendlich nur zu Verwirrung und Chaos. Englisch sollte die Hauptsprache auf der Liste bleiben, weil

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, I agree with Manfred here (I'll try to translate his points) ;) 2010/10/20 Manfred Usselmann usselman...@icg-online.de: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:58:07 -0400 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Howard Barr
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunch of other stuff), and because it is so long,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing
Hi, On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunch of other stuff), and because it is so

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 4:16 PM, Jon Hamkins wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunch of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/20/2010 01:33 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 4:16 PM, Jon Hamkins wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: I have little sympathy for anyone not being able to unsubscribe if they aren't willing to actually read the first 12 words (!) of the message coming back from

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 5:05 PM, Jon Hawkins wrote: This unsubscribe/confirm procedure is basically the same procedure someone used when they subscribed, If the link at the bottom of the email was an actual unsubscribe link instead of the info link, I'd agree... The info link should be second, and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 22.33: *That* is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS, and is the reason*why* there are so many complaints about unsubscribing. I'm sorry to say, but for those who cannot work with mailing lists, we will set-up a forum. It is not possible to fulfill all wishes. I see

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 19 oct. 10, at 18:15, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote on 2010-10-19 02.22: I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all identified by a specific

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 19 oct. 10, at 19:35, Cor Nouws wrote: In any case, the current global lists are not global, they are English lists and should be identified as such. They are handling global items, as I see it. I do not mind if some people post there in a language that I do not understand (and there

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jean-Christophe, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote (19-10-10 14:10) On 19 oct. 10, at 19:35, Cor Nouws wrote: In any case, the current global lists are not global, they are English lists and should be identified as such. They are handling global items, as I see it. I do not mind if some

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 19 oct. 10, at 23:13, Cor Nouws wrote: Joining the global users lists, gives the largest public, so more knowledge / international exchange. I find that useful in some cases. That works only for people who understand English. So it is not global by definition. That is true, so a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 18:25 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: On 19 oct. 10, at 18:15, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote on 2010-10-19 02.22: the global discussion list should not be a mere discussion list but a policy list where only items of global

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 20:22, Jean-Christophe Helary a écrit : I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all identified by a specific language marker and that all the lists that do not use that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 20 oct. 10, at 00:05, Marc Paré wrote: I was under the impression that we were all in agreement, that the lingua franca of the mailists is English and that localized mailists were to encourage users to contribute in their own language. I think that is a mistaken view of the issues at

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread jonathon
On 10/19/2010 09:25 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: There is no need for a global user list and the global discussion list should not be a mere discussion list but a policy list Global lists should be multi-lingual. Use it for support or discussion, or marketing for languages or regions

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 11:17, Jean-Christophe Helary a écrit : On 20 oct. 10, at 00:05, Marc Paré wrote: I was under the impression that we were all in agreement, that the lingua franca of the mailists is English and that localized mailists were to encourage users to contribute in their own

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote: Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always be difficult to accomplish. The amount of energy spent on translating from one language to another would certainly affect the overall effectiveness of the group.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: Howdy Jean-Christophe, On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote: Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always be difficult to accomplish. The amount

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 20:58, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: Howdy Jean-Christophe, On 20 oct. 10, at 04:02, Marc Paré wrote: Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-19 21:10, Marc Paré a écrit : Hmmm... then, the fact remains that a multilingual mailist model will always be difficult to accomplish. The amount of energy spent on translating from one language to another would certainly affect the overall effectiveness of the group. Satisfying

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-19 11:21, jonathon a écrit : On 10/19/2010 09:25 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: There is no need for a global user list and the global discussion list should not be a mere discussion list but a policy list Global lists should be multi-lingual. Use it for support or

[tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-18 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all identified by a specific language marker and that all the lists that do not use that language marker are explicitly multilingual. The status quo