[IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread Kenny Kutney
Thought maybe I could garner some opinions on the usability of password enforcement techniques. Recently, I've noticed a trend towards more secure passwords for many things, and that's a good idea. However, I've also noticed that certain web sites take that to an extreme, disallowing the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread mark schraad
Hey Kenny, I worked in the field (computer security) for a couple of years. In the simplest terms, the continuum is between ease of use, and security. Just as you state... the extremes are not good. Easy to use = easy to crack. Hard to crack = hard to remember. Forcing any or all of those criteria

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread Katie Albers
I know I was taught by a shockingly sane network engineer that the easy way to develop hard to crack passwords was to choose a regular word of the right length in your native language and then substitute number(s) and punctuation marks as appropriate and capitalize either the first or last

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread Jeff Seager
The problem with this trend (and I'm seeing it as such, too, Kenny) is that it presumes that more security is always better. But in many use cases (blogs, mailing lists, software tech support), such stringent security can be ridiculous and inconvenient. Security is not just protection. It's also

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread Ari Feldman
yes but passwords like those you describe are prone to hacking as they contain dictionary words that some brute force password crackers use to increase their chances of cracking passwords. On Feb 19, 2008 3:10 PM, Anthony Hempell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another strategy is to create memorable

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread Anthony Hempell
Another strategy is to create memorable Name/Number combinations that are part of a larger set that can be mined for almost infinite password ideas, such as: Car make / year (Cadillac77 or Mustang!56) Athlete / number (Jordan23 or Gretzky!99) etc On 19-Feb-08, at 12:00 PM, Katie

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Password enforcement UI - good, bad or ugly?

2008-02-19 Thread William Evans
Yeah. Depends on what your securing and from whom. Good combo is the old biometric plus passphrase plus mutating challenge-response. But 99.9 don't require it since most people will willingly give up their pw through social engineering and cmps capable of brute force are too busy