[discuss] You've been trolled (was: Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes)

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The list has been trolled and a lot of people fell for it. Right now Gates' PR firm is working hard to adjust the public's perception of him as an unscrupulous but clever business man who is always behind the curve, arrogant, condecending, reactionary and impatient. That latest memo is most

[discuss] Why not MSO formats?

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Caleb Marcus wrote: [...] Why should we not use MSO formats? OOo can open them, and almost every other office suite. [...] Because they are currently not documented and the licensing is restrictive enough to make trouble. There are some XML-based formats for MSO in the

Re: [discuss] Spreadsheet Formatting: Alignment / Spacing

2005-11-15 Thread Niklas Nebel
J/B Ries wrote: The spacing feature in OpenOffice 2.0's spreadsheet under the Alignment tab is missing, and I can't find anything relating to it in the help files or on the various fora. Is this a program glitch, an oversight, or a deliberate maneuver? This is a feature which I must have,

Re: [discuss] Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Lynch
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Free of charge (price) is not the same thing as free as a bird or free speech (freedom). This article talks about the former, OOo is the latter; I don't think Microsoft will ever release any software of the magnitude of their office

Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-15 Thread Wesley Parish
In one of GK Chesterton's books - I think it was his biography - he recounts a politician addressing a crowd that had got noisy and boisterous and jeered him: Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen! I have not yet finished casting my pearls! [before swine, of course. The crowd burst out laughing.]

Re: [discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Lynch
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 19:37 -0600, John Thompson wrote: Why would this be bad for OOo? I can understand why MS feels threatened by OOo and other non-MS software, but where's the downside for OOo here? MSOffice will likely still be bound to the Windows platform and Microsoft file formats,

[discuss] Suggestion

2005-11-15 Thread Klaus Bucka-Lassen
Hi dear OpenOffice Development team First of all I think you have a GREAT product. I've been using OpenOffice for quite a while and am super-happy with it. Haven't felt any urge to go back to MS Office at all! One tiny suggestion: When downloading I have amongst others the option to choose

Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite

2005-11-15 Thread Steve Kopischke
I think it is high time to close this thread. There is significantly more childish taunting than real content at this point. SJK - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-15 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
Ian Lynch wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 07:45 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] Isn't this the same person that stated that 640Mb of ram would be more than enough? Isn't this the same person that came in late to the Internet? Isn't this the same person that missed the search engine boom

[discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-15 Thread Rei Shinozuka
i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and spreadsheets? --- The $100 Laptop Moves Closer to Reality By STEVE STECKLOW Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Re: [discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Robin Laing
Chad Smith wrote: On 11/14/05, John Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would this be bad for OOo? I can understand why MS feels threatened by OOo and other non-MS software, but where's the downside for OOo here? MSOffice will likely still be bound to the Windows platform and Microsoft file

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-15 Thread Chad Smith
On 11/15/05, Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this the same person that stated that 640Mb of ram would be more than enough? Isn't this the same person that came in late to the Internet? Isn't this the same person that missed the search engine boom started by Yahoo and expanded by

Re: [discuss] Not so free on MAC

2005-11-15 Thread Phillip (Flip) Russell
The next rev of NeoOffice will require Java 1.4 which doesn't exist on 10.2. Besides, 10.2 really should have been called a beta. A horrible release with many bugs that were fixed in 10.3. Also, technically there was never a stable X11 relase for 10.2 either. The stable version was released

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-15 Thread Ian Lynch
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 18:38 +, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 07:45 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] Isn't this the same person that stated that 640Mb of ram would be more than enough? Isn't this the same person that came in late to the

Re: [discuss] Revision History

2005-11-15 Thread Mathias Bauer
Henrik Sundberg wrote: Thanks for all this info Mathias! I think File-Compare Documents and binary files in my VCS will suit me best. I just tested File-Compare Documents. It didn't notice differences in tables. Is it just meant for bread text? I don't know exactly. It's also possible that

[discuss] using autopackage for distributing OOo on GNU/Linux

2005-11-15 Thread Bruce Byfield
OOo might want to consider using autopackage to distribute the program. Autopackage is an alternative package management system designed specifically for desktop applications, and is already being used by Nvu, the GIMP, Inkscape, ABiword, and several other projects. It includes a graphical

Re: [discuss] Gates memo warns of 'disruptive' changes

2005-11-15 Thread Tim Fairchild
On Wednesday 16 Nov 2005 05:37, Chad Smith wrote: On 11/15/05, Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this the same person that stated that 640Mb of ram would be more than enough? Isn't this the same person that came in late to the Internet? Isn't this the same person that missed the

[discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread William Baric
Chad Smith a écrit : And if this takes off, a crippled-ad-supported MS Office can't be far down the trial. Whether we'd like to admit it or not, many people use OOo simply because it is free (as in no price). They see it as a free subsitute for MS Office. And if MS Office becomes free (or

Re: [discuss] Not so free on MAC

2005-11-15 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 Phillip (Flip) Russell wrote: The next rev of NeoOffice will require Java 1.4 which doesn't exist on 10.2. Besides, 10.2 really should have been called a beta. A horrible release with many bugs that were fixed in 10.3. Also, technically there was never a stable

[discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread John Thompson
On 2005-11-15, Chad Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/05, John Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MSOffice will likely still be bound to the Windows platform and Microsoft file formats, both of which are significant concerns for many people. MSOffice is not bound to the Windows

Re: [discuss] Not so free on MAC

2005-11-15 Thread Phillip (Flip) Russell
Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 Phillip (Flip) Russell wrote: The next rev of NeoOffice will require Java 1.4 which doesn't exist on 10.2. Besides, 10.2 really should have been called a beta. A horrible release with many bugs that were fixed in 10.3. Also,

[discuss] i'm not sure to get the right mail... it's to report an OO error

2005-11-15 Thread Nicolas Le Gall
But i really don't have the time to find the right one sorry :) -- hello, while I was reporting an error in the OpenOffice's interface, I get an error. After clicking in Send button I had a windows error (the kind of you can send to MS). This error appear with the crashrep.exe

[discuss] OOo Math 2.0 Troubles

2005-11-15 Thread DMA
Hello! I've made a lot of works in OOo Writer using OOo Math objects. The version I use is 1.1.3. One day I gave my friend some works. He has OOo 2.0. When he opened it he saw some incorrect equations. Now about the problem. In OOo Math 1.1.3 I can type 20sqrt 2 and 20 sqrt 2 to see the

[discuss] Data series in Calc

2005-11-15 Thread Jessica Leigh
Hi, In general, I love OpenOffice Calc, and I use it whenever I can. But there's a problem: I need more control over data series for graphs. I know this is odd, but I frequently need to make charts where data series share common y coordinates, but have different x coordinates. I can't

Re: [discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Chad Smith
On 11/15/05, John Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake me up when there's MSOffice for linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, etc. Crossover Office, WINE, Win4Lin. If there is an office for anything other than Windows, it's not tied to the Windows platform. And it's not like LInux is more popular than

Re: [discuss] Re: Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

2005-11-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Or when MS fixes the interoperability bugs (e.g. with ODBC) in MS Office for the Macintosh. Right now OOo works many platforms not just Gates' own. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by

Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-15 Thread Nicu Buculei
Rei Shinozuka wrote: i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and spreadsheets? Hard to say without seeing the specs for this computer, but is possible for OOo to be too

Re: [discuss] WSJ The $100 Laptop

2005-11-15 Thread Wesley Parish
And of course, Bill Gates will subsidize the first 640 KB of RAM! ;) On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:16, Rei Shinozuka wrote: i saw this in the WSJ, this project has been going on for some time, but this was the first i had heard about it. wonder what they will use for word processing and