Re: PPIG discuss: Documentation for large systems

2007-11-06 Thread Frank Wales
of the best quiet coffee shops within walking distance. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http

PPIG discuss: Software as she is wrote

2007-09-29 Thread Frank Wales
'semikolons'. Then, wait while the QA department writes the specification for the now-finished software. Finally, rejoice as your vague bug report has become reality in only two-and-a-half years, without any further input from you. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Software as she is wrote

2007-09-29 Thread Frank Wales
would probably make ISO-9000 advocates weep openly Well, something has to. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin

Re: PPIG discuss: Programmer education argument-starter of the week

2007-07-04 Thread Frank Wales
programmer weren't high enough yet. Which might go some way towards explaining this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000781.html -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http

Re: PPIG discuss: Programmer education argument-starter of the week

2007-07-04 Thread Frank Wales
I just wrote: Rather than just categories or types, I'd actually propose a spectrum Did I say 'spectrum'? Apparently, I meant 'Humpy the camel': http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Programmer education argument-starter of the week

2007-07-02 Thread Frank Wales
. Now, where's that shiny robot waiter with my gadget cocktail? -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http

Re: PPIG discuss: Programmer education argument-starter of the week

2007-07-01 Thread Frank Wales
, 1978) of the professionals but not of the student. Or it could mean that the students were in the habit of being overly verbose in answering questions, since terseness is generally not rewarded in exams, while it often is rewarded in business. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: SV: PPIG discuss: long term effect of introductory programming education

2006-10-31 Thread Frank Wales
structure in mind when they are writing copy. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman

Re: SV: PPIG discuss: long term effect of introductory programming education

2006-10-30 Thread Frank Wales
directly what they thought of these issues, you'd have got similar answers; that would have been some kind of evidence about their beliefs, too. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss

PPIG discuss: The failure of CORBA

2006-06-23 Thread Frank Wales
the CORBA hair ball: http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Contentpa=showpagepid=396page=1 -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: PPIG discuss: Linguistics programming languages

2006-03-08 Thread Frank Wales
to explain how Hungarian notation, as formulated by Simonyi, has been generally misunderstood (including by Microsoft) as simplistic type labelling. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss

PPIG discuss: IT Author Smackdown

2006-02-21 Thread Frank Wales
of an agile blocker, which I seem too sober to comprehend properly. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http

PPIG discuss: C++0x

2006-02-20 Thread Frank Wales
No, it's not some kind of spam-busting code for porn, it's the next iteration of C++ (shouldn't it be C+=3 by now?): http://www.artima.com/cppsource/cpp0x.html This suggested version adds concepts as a language feature. Presumably, ideas and epiphanies will come later. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL

Re: PPIG discuss: The Designification of Programming

2006-02-19 Thread Frank Wales
On 02/19/2006 01:08 PM, Bjorn Reese wrote: Frank Wales wrote: How designers are saving the world from programmers, since we apparently don't know how to design things without them: http://lostgarden.com/2006/02/software-developments-evolution.html I've seen criticism like this many time

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Frank Wales
public speaking in a day, it can't be beyond the wit of academics to pass such a skill on to CS students, can it? -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net

Re: PPIG discuss: Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Wales
gadgets can become cheaper! If somewhat less reliable for reasons no-one understands! All Hail the Unit Test! Thank you. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http

Re: PPIG discuss: Teach the common stuff: was Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Wales
, aren't you? Iterate this expression one hundred times: I shall not make people's heads explode on a week day. Do not use any of C's normal looping constructs. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss

Re: PPIG discuss: Teach the common stuff: was Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Wales
On 01/31/2006 02:55 PM, Lindsay Marshall wrote: Shallow is not deep. Actually, shallow is the new deep Quick, organize a high-diving class! That'll show 'em. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List

Re: PPIG discuss: Teach the common stuff: was Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Wales
the original request was for ordnance to smite the opponents of defensive programming, not for grease to squeeze students through educational pipes more efficiently. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org

Re: PPIG discuss: Loop Bounds and Errors

2006-01-31 Thread Frank Wales
how to dodge missiles thrown from nearby desks, a valuable skill that is sadly neglected in our schools since I left them. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http

PPIG discuss: It's not obsolete, it's just misunderstood

2006-01-30 Thread Frank Wales
side is particularly picturesque, so via there would be nice, thanks. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Frank Wales
, usually with something like a bar stool to prop their backside on from time to time, makes them feel more energized as they work. If you're the kind of person who likes to pace while they think, this might be worth trying out, assuming your workplace allows for it. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Problems sitting on the seat (acquiring the seat) while Programming.

2005-10-27 Thread Frank Wales
On 10/27/05 18:05, Sean Heber wrote: On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Frank Wales wrote: Perhaps because I'm an only child, I'm in the odd habit of holding a conversation with myself when working on a problem, in which I play both sides of the I don't understand why this doesn't work/ Well

Re: PPIG discuss: Researchers ignoring the common cases again

2005-06-30 Thread Frank Wales
: http://www.limov.com/rcl20/chapter.lml Okay, plug over; I now return you to your irregularly scheduled exchange of varyingly-considered opinions while I go off to the PPIG dinner for fun and eats. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Researchers ignoring the common cases again

2005-06-29 Thread Frank Wales
that in the research. Under 30? Frank, I think you are turning into a grumpy old man. How long before you start saying under 40 ;-) [Looks at watch] About six years. That's local time, of course. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Cognitive Complexity Measurement

2004-09-23 Thread Frank Wales
of time. That's an interesting theory you have there, Derek. I take it you have the experimental data to support it. :-) -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Discuss admin: http

Re: PPIG discuss: Effect of letter casing on readability

2003-12-02 Thread Frank Wales
, Alan Rosenthal, Cynthia Wong. As a matter of pure nosiness, Stephen, is there a wider problem you're trying to address? -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] (And don't call me Shirley.) -- PPIG Discuss List ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Effect of letter casing on readability

2003-12-02 Thread Frank Wales
of names can thus be spent fretting over when to localise it, and whether postfix 'unless' would make the code look more poetic than prefix 'if (!...)'. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List ([EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Effect of letter casing on readability

2003-12-02 Thread Frank Wales
to be in camel case, or contain underscores or dots, because they could be highly descriptive or completely hidden when we wanted them to be, without them all having to be purple. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List ([EMAIL

Re: PPIG discuss: Book Search

2003-03-05 Thread Frank Wales
the same kind of response if I lived in Ireland. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PPIG Discuss List ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss Announce admin: http://limitlessmail.net

Re: PPIG discuss: There's no such thing as an ugly baby language

2002-10-06 Thread Frank Wales
complementary token or expression. The closest I can think of is the mathematical range delimiters, where things like [0,10), [-1,1], (x,y] and (-50,50) all make sense, but even then, there's no requirement for them to come in pairs of the form [..) ... (..] . -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Re: comments

2002-10-05 Thread Frank Wales
something of value. -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe discuss To join the announcements list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe announce To receive a help

PPIG discuss: There's no such thing as an ugly baby language

2002-10-05 Thread Frank Wales
, doctor, is this reaction normal, and will I come to love this baby like the others? -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe discuss To join the announcements list

PPIG discuss: Argument over future of hyperlink implementation on web

2002-09-26 Thread Frank Wales
, clearly articulated more than 3 years ago, must be rectified. Much more like this as thread replies from the original post. Enjoy. :-) -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL

Re: PPIG discuss: visual theory? (fwd)

2002-06-12 Thread Frank Wales
that there should be no alternative non-indentation syntaxes. -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe discuss To join the announcements list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Capitalist goals. Was Similarity and categorization

2001-10-21 Thread Frank Wales
to dim and desperate business managers everywhere. -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe discuss To join the announcements list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PPIG discuss: Similarity and categorization

2001-10-19 Thread Frank Wales
development will get *worse*, because people who know what they're doing will leave the field to the Joe I-Can-Spell-C's and their wonderful whiz-bang Metrics of Quality that they don't understand. I do not want this to happen, and neither do you. -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic

Re: PPIG discuss: Bracketing -- 4 other issues

2001-09-22 Thread Frank Wales
many points of potential disagreement there are: Program: http://www.gnu.org/directory/indent.html Manual:http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/indent/indent.html -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe

Re: PPIG discuss: Re: What plan? Was: Funding, WasMixingdecimal hexadecimal

2001-05-03 Thread Frank Wales
me with this program (but that is probably because I don't know as much about psychology as I do about the C abstract machine). You are John Searle, and I claim my Chinese meal. :-) -- Frank Wales [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] - Automatic footer for [EMAIL PROTECTED