To answer the question: as long as GNOME have made their file
dialogue make it obvious how to:
* set the filename
* set the directory (GNUstep's is a little weak on this)
* set the file type, if such things are in their file dialogue
...then I think it's fine and probably better than
imitating
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:40:36 +0800, Rogelio Serrano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:07:42 -0500, Adrian Robert
[snipped...]
I'm not sure if this made it into GTK-2, but the GTK/Gnome-1 file
dialog had really excellent filename completion abilities. Type in the
first part of
Le 19 fvr. 05, 07:49, Banlu Kemiyatorn a crit :
No, they were E freaks but they grow up.
I was appreciated with Mac OS X's saturated cyan/red/green/blue for a
week
before I permanently switch to graphite theme. Though, I ma nottagainst
them, but let's put it somewhere else, not gnustep core.
Le 19 fvr. 05, 22:52, Randi Joseph a crit :
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very
tired for years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
GWorkspace is looking for a new maintainer.
Hang in there. I think you will be seeing the fruits of your labor
soon.
And
Riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GNUstep made it into slashdot and osnews. We are getting a lot of
exposure, but we need to learn how handle it. My last experiences in
this mailing list and in the traditional #gnustep channel are a lot of
works, no action. I wish I want I would. But this
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quentin_Math=E9?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] I just would like to have GNUstep.org =
mentions=20
=C9toil=E9, Garma etc. as possible alternatives=85
I'd like to list whatever's announced to info-gnustep, I think.
The question is what gets listed where...
--
MJR/slef
On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conservative camp:
The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever
produced, it
looks fresh and distinctive, but could be tweaked/modified as there
is always
room for improvement... if someone can
On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core and the option to change theme is
the first thing a user sees, fine. If someone downloads a tarball,
installs it,
On 19 Feb 2005, at 08:29, Jason Clouse wrote:
On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conservative camp:
The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever
produced, it looks fresh and distinctive, but could be
tweaked/modified as there is
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On 2005-02-19 16:26:41 +0800 Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:26:41 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Because it doesn't exist. And because people are not directed to
download Etoile. They are directed to download -core. Once Etoile is
highly publicized and it is nearly impossible to simply download -core
and
Le 19 févr. 05, à 08:58, Richard Frith-Macdonald a écrit :
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme engine
contributed to the core distribution.
Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support
built in to the standard gui classes rather than requiring a
On 2005-02-19 03:58:47 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme
engine
contributed to the core distribution.
Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support
built in
to the standard gui classes
Hey enrico,
On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 07:09 PM, Enrico Sersale wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie.
not
a default desktop for gnustep
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:09:23 +0200, Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
GWorkspace is looking for a new maintainer.
Enrico
I'm truely sorry for being a part
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 20:09 +0200, Enrico Sersale wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not
a default desktop for gnustep itself since
Enrico,
--- Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipped Jesse's comment about etoile
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
I
On 2005-02-19 21:07:04 + Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:09:51 +0100, Frederico Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(...)
I believe it is my responsibility to reply to his mail which was
clearly pointing at me.
But trust me I didn't intend to counter-attack him
I did not mean it that way. I meant in a usable state.
May have too harsh. I am going to write some code and leave you guys
alone
apologies
randi
On Feb 19, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And you are
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And you are correct. Etoile does not exist. I dont understand why it is
being discussed with prominence.
Is it better to pay some respects to those who already code to make it
happen? There are at least ~50 thousands
Am 17.02.2005 um 02:09 schrieb M. Uli Kusterer:
Heck, there are people who've hacked MacOS X to run on an old 8100/80
PowerMac.
No idea how they got Mac OS X onto a non-PCI Mac ...
If that one can run Aqua, any Pentium should be able to run Jesse's
theme at blazing speed...
... but I run Mac OS
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:28:30 +0700, Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:06:57 -0500, Charles Philip Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not
a
Le 19 févr. 05, à 21:09, Gregory John Casamento a écrit :
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very
tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
I don't think you should give up! Please don't. I believe that
GWorkspace
should be the default desktop.
On February 19, 2005 6:39 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
You wanted to say that GNUstep is a desktop environment?
Wrong, please read the front page of http://www.gnustep.org
No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is
a collection of framworks and other kits
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:18:56 -0500, Charles Philip Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is
a collection of framworks and other kits (eg: musickit, graphicskit, etc) to
build apps and environments.
Then would you please be a
On February 19, 2005 7:31 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
Then would you please be a bit less picky (hopefully not an offensive word)
on what word I was using?
Sorry, I missed the original message- I was just reacting to the quote.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a few desktop environments
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On 2005-02-20 02:09:23 +0800 Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie.
On February 19, 2005 9:25 pm, Alex Perez wrote:
neither MusicKit or GraphicsKit are part of GNUstep's CVS. Therefore, it
leads to a logical conculsion that they are not part of GNUstep. They
are frameworks, like any other.
Of course you are right about that, I was just thinking of the more
Hey,
On Thursday, February 17, 2005, at 08:18 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
Not to mention Jesse's design really doesn't look fancy enough not to
run on older computers. Heck, there are people who've hacked MacOS X
to run on an old 8100/80 PowerMac. If that one can run Aqua, any
Pentium should be
I love irix and find it is one of the most refined desktops out there,
a pity so few applications are consistent with it. But it has a
totally different style. Vector icons are a no-go for next-step style
icons or aqua ones. I can post some irix screenshots if there is
request.
I'd like to
On 2005-02-17 07:33:47 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What proportion is large number? Are there any metrics on
the discussion which illustrate this, or do you expect everyone
to go read over 400 comments to see if they think it's true? As
I wrote, it looked at first glance like a larger
Le 19 févr. 05, à 00:48, Jason Clouse a écrit :
On 2005-02-17 13:48:15 -0500 M. Uli Kusterer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Is that about right, Jason?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to get across. Some people
will install
On 2005-02-18 20:41:59 -0500 Nicolas Roard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, it doesn't matter much. The important point is it's
*possible* to
change the look; then, we should have screenshots showing that fact
proeminently on the website, and have the livecd let the user change
easily
the UI
Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-17 07:33:47 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] it looked at first glance like a larger number want
objective C++ and ACPI fixes.
I didn't see anything about that. I've seen plenty of requests for
the end of battleship grey.
Then
On 19 Feb 2005, at 00:46, Jason Clouse wrote:
At any rate, I think we've used this topic up.
I hope so.
People will not see a fresh GUI on first run and that's just the way
it is.
I think that's a conclusion completely at variance with the comments
I've been reading on this list!
There appear
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core and the option to change theme is
the first thing a user sees, fine. If someone downloads a tarball,
installs it, and sees nothing but grey, they'll be disappointed.
Why core? Why not
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On 2005-02-19 14:20:13 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snipped...]
The revolutionaries:
The NeXT style interface is bad/dated/dull and puts people off. We
should
replace it with something new, but keep the existing interface
On 2005-02-17 02:39:11 -0500 Philippe C.D. Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could also call it democracy ... :-)
BTW I am all for the 'old' NEXTSTEP look.
Just for the record, so am I. I just know that it's not going to be
disappointing to me to see a different look until I install the NeXT
Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-16 23:22:02 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do we accept that UI is a minority expertise? If so, can we trust
a majority to make a good decision?
We're not talking about UI. We're talking about GNUstep's
out-of-the-box look. Totally
At 8:39 Uhr +0100 17.02.2005, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:06 AM, MJ Ray wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Look at it this way: the convenience factor should go to
the largest number of people.
Dictatorship of the majority?
You could also call it democracy ... :-)
BTW I am
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:01:49 -0600 (CST), Jesse Ross
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is kind of a chicken and egg thing. I think a new interface could
attract new developers. In turn they would likely build more apps. We
would no doubt lose some, as there would no doubt be some who do exactly
Citt Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Stefan,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Citt Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
Themes in GNUstep are a very different beast than in GNOME or KDE.
Typically,
themes override certain portions of the drawing code in
I should be able to find some time theses days to do that, so I expect
an official release before the Fosdem (if you just want to test now,
you can check http://www.roard.com/gnustep/ , but it's not a final
release).
I quick note: The README file included is not clear WRT the need for a
Seeing how some guys on this shoot down newcomers and any new or
alternate ideas is disturbing. I can only imagine the amount of bright
minds that came and left. The crown jewels here are the API and
language, and I think MANY people will come if the brand is updated.
As it stands, it appears
Hello,
On 2005-02-14 09:49:54 + Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I think it is very important that GNUstep has a UI which offers users from
MacOS/Windows/KDE/GNOME some familiarity. Designing a radically different UI
will just stop people from using GNUstep because most
Le 14 févr. 05, à 13:01, MJ Ray a écrit :
Jesse wrote:
[...] If using Camaelon
would slow the system or create extra overhead, than I would prefer it
was made the native look. [...]
Huh? If this new look is slow, you want to make everyone suffer it?
That's a pretty severe way to force people to
Jesse,
--- Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I had hoped to help deliver a GNUstep-based OS, branded with the
GNUstep name and logo, with a default interface that I helped design
and with some of my own icons, and then have people say, Wow, this
looks really nice, I think I'll try
One of them should be the
standard NeXT theme, but I don't think it would have to be the default
-- if they're equally well-designed, why is there a need for a default
at all?
The default is whatever we decide to ship on things like the LiveCD or any
of the desktop initiatives, as a
Yep -- the dots represent arrows in either direction, which seems more
iconic than just the bar that GNUstep currently has.
Not sure if this was the intention but only being able to grab at the
corners can be annoying. A bar along the bottom (iconically marked or
otherwise) costs some extra
Yep -- the dots represent arrows in either direction, which seems more
iconic than just the bar that GNUstep currently has.
Not sure if this was the intention but only being able to grab at the
corners can be annoying. A bar along the bottom (iconically marked or
otherwise) costs some extra
On 2005-02-14 13:43:55 + Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I'm saying this because I'm begining to fear that the idea is to make
GNUstep look like GNOME/KDE/WIndows/MacOSX. I've already seen what not
having the guts to innovate gives to desktops, one ends up using
Windows,but with
Michael Thaler wrote:
On Monday 14 February 2005 14:47, you wrote:
I don't think GNUstep should clone Aqua, not at all. But GNUstep could follow
some of the ideas of the MacOS UI (not the style, ideas related to
usability). Or GNUstep could follow some ideas from GNOME or KDE. Reinventing
On 2005-02-14 18:25:40 + Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I would have prefered the scrollbars on the left :)
They are on the left in the mockup... was that not apparent?
Just wanted to clarify in case anyone else was confused/unsure.
My bad, the first Workspace row hasn't
On 13 Feb 2005, at 08:03, Randi Joseph wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I think that it is very important that certain aspects of the
interface be customizable. In particular, a static/floating menubar
option and left/right. Lets face it, left scrollbars might be
intuitive to old NeXT users, but it is
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On 2005-02-13 19:24:12 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13 Feb 2005, at 08:03, Randi Joseph wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I think that it is very important that certain aspects of the
interface be
customizable. In particular, a
It will be easier to sell (GNUSTEP/Objective-C) to developers if some
of apple's well thought out interface ideas are adopted.
NeXTstep introduced a lot of gui improvements (they were able to learn
from the design errors of MacOS/MS-Windows). Some of these got into
MacOS-X, but others were
Le 13 févr. 05, à 09:56, Gregory John Casamento a écrit :
Apple spends millions of dollars getting its interface right. Even
Steve Jobs who manages to force a single button mouse down our throats
realized that an made the change.
Steve bent to the whim of the Mac faithful, who were unwilling to
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On 2005-02-13 23:15:30 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your point. If you are saying that first
time
users are going to be forced to use mac/mswin anyway, and that we
should therefore not do anything
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On 2005-02-13 23:14:48 +0800 Nicolas Roard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snipped...]
I *really* don't think that. Sure, some people only want one
language. But
the majority of the people that works on GNOME and KDE are far from
being
stupid. GNUstep is
Hi,
I did a few replies via the newsgroup, but it seems they're no
longer forwarded to this list. So I'll jump right in and try to catch
up with where the discussion's gone by now.
At 8:48 Uhr -0600 13.02.2005, Jesse Ross wrote:
Exactly. I've been a Mac user exclusively for about 8 years, and
Le 13 févr. 05, à 18:29, M. Uli Kusterer a écrit :
At 15:15 Uhr + 13.02.2005, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
I do find it convincing enough to say we should have options to
customise
things (themes) at the behavior layer as well as pure appearance.
While I have no desire for an ms-windows
Hi,
Dom, 2005-02-13 às 17:01 -0600, Jesse Ross escreveu:
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind a more modern looking theme for
GNUstep on linux, like
http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png , in
addition to the default NeXT theme.
Is is possible to set up some kind
There is no way the desktop look and feel alone is going to make
people switch from kde, gnome, windows and mac.
It might make me switch ... it is why I currently mostly use GNOME.
That said, working together rather than replacing would rock.
Ari
Jesse Ross wrote:
It will be easier to sell (GNUSTEP/Objective-C) to developers if some
of apple's well thought out interface ideas are adopted.
NeXTstep introduced a lot of gui improvements (they were able to learn
from the design errors of MacOS/MS-Windows). Some of these got into
MacOS-X,
Jesse Ross wrote:
I would appreciate it if you would define what you mean by default
theme. I
realize that this is confusing, but here goes:
1) GNUstep has a built-in or native look, one that doesn't require
a theme
to be shown.
2) GNUstep also has a theme engine called Camaelon. Because it
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