Re: Manuals, software, programs (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread MJ Ray
Alfred M\. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have not programmed an analogue computer. Your statements show this. If you claim that you have, then you are a categorical liar. The above shows how fallible you are and how unsafe your logic is. [...] Learn some math. This suggests that you're a

Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060215 20:41]: Now variable names we better forget and look at comments, they are clearly documentation in every sense I can think of. I disagree strongly with this. [...] The main difference between comments and documentation is really to whom they

Debian and non-free (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060215 20:41]: Nor is FDL-licensed documentation removed, it is _moved_ to the non-free section. Which is part of Debian, desite whatever claims people will make. Well, here we come back to names and definitions. [...] [...] Debian GNU/Linux

Alert: IPRED2 letter, 1 day to act

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Can people here mobilise some action in each of the member states? Benjamin Henrion writes: Please try to make a similar letter and send it to your governement: http://wiki.ffii.org/Ipred2GovLtrsEn We have one working day to put pressure on governements. If patents is removed from the

Re: Debian and non-free (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Nor is FDL-licensed documentation removed, it is _moved_ to the non-free section. Which is part of Debian, desite whatever claims people will make. Well, here we come back to names and definitions. [...] [...] Debian GNU/Linux (main) is 100% free software, yes. But

Re: Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Now variable names we better forget and look at comments, they are clearly documentation in every sense I can think of. I disagree strongly with this. [...] The main difference between comments and documentation is really to whom they are directed. Comments are

Re: tangent

2006-02-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I was reading an old interview with Eckert, one of the people who designed ENIAC today, where he says the following: Question: Was ENIAC programmable? Eckert: Yes and no. We programmed the machine by plugging wires in from place to place. That's not hard-wired; it's no software; it's not

Re: Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Yes, since the output is static. The output of a program isn't. Then a program to generate the prime numbers or calulate the digits of pi or whatever similar is documentation. I think this is getting boring, although some interesting point have been made in the past days. Actually, you agreed

Re: Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Yes, since the output is static. The output of a program isn't. Then a program to generate the prime numbers or calulate the digits of pi or whatever similar is documentation. No, since the output, i.e. program, isn't static. You'd have a point[0] if you dumped the listing of prime

Re: Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread simo
On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 22:02 +0100, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Yes, since the output is static. The output of a program isn't. Then a program to generate the prime numbers or calulate the digits of pi or whatever similar is documentation. No, since the output, i.e. program, isn't

Re: FDL again, was: My concerns about GPLv3 process

2006-02-16 Thread Frank Heckenbach
Harald Welte wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:17:15AM +0100, Frank Heckenbach wrote: - E. Vil claims that as not all of the copyright holders of the work he obtained are suing, they cannot sue at all. This is a myth, and probably stems from US copyright. (A myth I was trying to

Re: Documentation vs. Software (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

2006-02-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
What about starting looking beyond these defects and go to the substance ? If the defect is so grave as in this case, it is hard to look at the substance. So what do you call a spreadsheet with macros ? Is it a document? Is it a program ? It is a spreadsheet. Is a poem a document?

Re: FDL again, was: My concerns about GPLv3 process

2006-02-16 Thread Frank Heckenbach
simo wrote: To me it is more that invariant sections cannot be removed is bad, not that invariant are bad per se. I would prefer my opinion to be removed entirely than see them changed, so I welcome invariant sections to some degree but not the way they are made in the GFDL. I think that

Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL

2006-02-16 Thread Frank Heckenbach
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: I wouldn't call troff/latex files for `program source. They all spit out a static file, one could compare it to a file with values in it, that you give to a program, which then spits out a fractal image. Is the file with the values, just numbers, source code? Or even