Niels,
as a starter, try this wiki page
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Unbrick
Then let's see...
No worries,
Wolfgang
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Ruben,
Today, after maybe 2 months of no use I picked my Ben to listen to
some music while shaving and showering (it has a very nice speaker
mounted in... and the battery was at 75 after that much time!). After
Welcome back also (there was someone else who just reappeared... :-))
that, I
I would do it when I'm back home with the original image. Which is the
exact Ben screen resolution? Also, if someone wants another special
screen size not listed in that page, please ask for it!
NanoNote resolution is 320x240.
Of course it would be great if you would provide it...
Wolfgang
David,
thanks for the feedback!
- opkg.conf is configured to get packages from the repostiory at:
http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/openwrt/xburst/latest
however, all packages in that repository are dated April 2010. maybe
they are out-dated by now (shared library
I investigated whether I could hack on MXU extensions
support for gas, then saw this and ran for my sanity.
Thanks for trying! I didn't know you were on it...
Better integrated MXU support would be nice, maybe one
day we figure it out :-)
Cheers,
Wolfgang
I suggest to read the news including some pictures and links with your
browser at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/News
but otherwise here is a short text only summary...
* Qi Hardware was assigned IEEE OUI 10-E2-D5 for use in Ethernet MAC
addresses and elsewhere.
* Qi Hardware USB IDs added to
Fantastic post, thank you so much!
Food for thought...
Wolfgang
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Jane,
i noticed on the sharism.cc page where I ordered my Ben, there was a
badge that said 100% GPL software with a GNU head.
Good point. 100% GPL is as inaccurate as 100% copyleft which people
pointed out earlier.
As you said, sharism.cc is outdated, it's on my todo list to clean it
up,
Llís,
But I think it only builds with their toolchain, that involves an 'awk' script
that can parse how they wrote the MXU instructions there, as no binutils does
not support them.
Yes, that's my latest understanding as well. But the infamous assembler (awk
script) is still free software,
David,
The example I cited, www.ticalc.org works albeit TI calculators not
having wlan. All they have is a (serial) link cable to connect to
a PC. The app-store analogy is broken, I know, that's why it's
called a 'program archive'.
Of course, your idea is perfectly fine and ticalc.org a
Sergey,
I've checked the mplayer sources again, there actually are sources for
h264, xvid and vc1 plugins.
Those live in jzcodecs dir while precompiled .so files are in jzsoc
dir. Apparently compiled binaries are provided to make it buildable
with standard toolchain without this awk script.
David,
The problem is, what can one use it for?
When I saw the low price, I orderey two of them. Now I didn't even
unwrap the second one.
Ouch. Thanks for sharing!
We have a loyal customer base in Japan and it's depressing to see that
a customer who orders 2 NanoNotes doesn't even
Xiangfu David,
Could you please, please make testing images available, whenever you
break software compatability?
This is Xiangfu's build location, it may contain what you are looking for,
but not 100% sure.
http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/
Wolfgang
David,
http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/david/nanonote/emacs.png
Small question: Can I upload this screenshot into the Qi wiki?
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Special:Upload
We are trying to make a list of preinstalled applications, and
screenshots are very important...
Great work, thanks a lot,
David,
http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/freesvn/trunk/dkbin/nn-fbtopng
That's a Tcl script, need to have tclsh in /usr/bin (most people will
have it).
Great!
Will this work for all cases (console, qt, gtk, sdl)? I remember reading
that screenshots are not easy to take when using the
Jane,
my brother made a new wallpaper. note it is a bit religious, but i think it
came out ok
Sure, why not? I think it's nice and thanks a lot for sharing...
Just be careful that the pictures you use as a base are licensed
freely. I didn't check this time, but last time it came from
I really want to be able to kill gmenu2x so that I can run software that
needs more RAM. Top shows gmenu2x to use 6 MB of RAM. Also gmenu2x
constantly uses CPU cycles.
That's exactly what I thought. Respawn is not good, and 6 MB is too
much. I still hope we can find a launcher one day that
Werner,
What surprises me is that the Debian-style bricking appears to kill
u-boot itself, which means that one then has to fiddle with the USB
I vaguely remember there was a bug somewhere that would let usbboot
'wrap around' the 4096 nand pages sometimes, and then overwrite or
erase nand page
Ron,
As 2010 comes to an end, it would be interesting
to learn total number of Nanonotes shipped so far.
A little less than 1100 Bens in the world :-)
Wolfgang
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Jane,
peace in...
today I decided to click on the more Piwik statistics. The
first surprise was that piwik, whatever that is, requires
flash 9 or greater to show a mere graph!
First we installed Google Analytics, but as part of our 'Google free'
approach we replaced it with Piwik.
David and others,
I thought about porting Emacspeak to the nanonote. This is designed to
make Emacs accassible to blind people, and as Emacs can do about
anything you want to do (other than editing, it can open shells, read
mail, copy files around etc.), it's pretty limitless.
YES! Very
Adam,
just a heads up - this is an excellent post, thank you so much for
taking the time to write it all down and document properly!
I am currently working on having the Qi projects server automatically
generate some files when KiCad files are being committed, such as:
*) schematics electric
David,
yeah, it was flite(not festival) and espeak what I tested, and
results doesn't were too good :(
I hear you, but that sounds like a good challenge.
So let's see! :-)
Happy New Year everybody,
Wolfgang
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Ron,
--Carlos' SIE project? (formerly Swiss Army Knife Card)
Both David and me are sold out, not sure when they will become
available again.
-- Werner's XBee 802.15.4 radio for Nanonote matching USB dongle for
the PC. (Beta in 2Q 2011?)
XBee? It's about 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN. Werner seems
David,
AFAICS the only rationale for 'sstrip' is for keeping flash memory usage
down. With 2GB of flash available on the NanoNote, maybe we shouldn't
be so stingy here?
Definitely. Maybe we can measure how much bigger things would get
with strip. How about memory consumption?
Wolfgang
There is no way to setup IP forwarding from the NanoNote
to the Internet via Windows?
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wow that's great news - thanks a lot. Also the wiki page is very nice!
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kyak,
excellent work, thank you!
Your help and advice would be very appreciated (not also removing
patented features that might have been left but also enabling
patent-free features, like ogg support).
As a start this looks about right to me, yes we should definitely
enable ogg support in the
David,
Also would that be a good place for adding config file snippets.
E.g. for making Emacs more usable on a smalle display and w/ the
nanonote's special keyboard?
Can you describe what type of config file snippet you mean?
emacs is in openwrt-packages, we can't commit the snippets there?
Nice find! If this is stable, imo we should enable it by default,
for both C and C++. Let's see...
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Delbert,
(after cataract surgery I have quite sharp near
vision with low-power glasses).
I was laughing when I read this. Should we add it to the
system requirements for NanoNote buyers?
40x80 console font (* requires cataract surgery *)
Wolfgang
A lot of things are actually working and people are often surprised when
they see it running on the M1. I should shoot a video soon.
Very true. It's a fully functioning VJ station already, out of the box.
- some more info on VJing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VJing
We have boards plus
Jane,
wonderful report, sorry I'm a bit swamped so I just pick
an easy little task now :-)
I could not upload .sh's to the Qi-hardware wiki, so gave up that for now.
Please try again, it should work now.
Nice screenshots, my favorite are the trees...
Wolfgang
Jane,
From looking at
http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-6c,
it looks like this battery should be compatible with the Nanonote.
I will be ordering a batch of them soon and can post on the list of
batteries when they work.
The
David,
Would be nice to add it in a place that effects config.minimal as well
as config.full_system. I want my config.minimal images to be able to
run Octave out-of-the-box.
Sounds good to me, not sure about the best place to add it, maybe
Xiangfu can give us advice.
Very well researched
Jane,
I just see Tuxbrain editing a page as well :-)
Such a wonderful work you made there, thanks a lot!
I created a wiki page called 'Aewan' for now. Do you use Aewan
to play/view these comics?
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Aewan
For now I used a simple gallery tag on my page:
gallery
David,
I guess why the content menu does not appear as for example in
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console ?
By default the toc (table of contents) will appear if there are at least
4 sections, or something like that.
You can force the toc on or off with __NOTOC__ or __FORCETOC__.
I
Ron,
For example, making the OpenCourseware available for Nanonote
even though it is not licensed sharealike makes sense for those who
simply wish to use a Nanonote.
It is actually licensed sharealike, but what makes it unusable for
a free project is the non-commercial qualifier. Neither
Ron,
PLEASE do NOT let the non-standard early protos
of atben/atusb leave Werner's lab. That will only
cause you pain and suffering, and SLOW DOWN
getting this exciting project shippable.
Most likely Werner won't, but the reason is different from yours.
We are an open project, that includes
Jane,
first we need to make it to the Ya, that's still a lot of work...
a) will the price be the same as for Ben
Either the same or lower, with better specs. Otherwise it's not
technology in my opinion.
b) will it consume more, or less power
That one is very hard to answer. Ideally for
That's because they were down for 8 hours. Oh well, too bad.
At least I'm not out of ideas yet how to make them more robust :-)
Thanks for the heads up.
Wolfgang
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An independent network would be the #qi-hardware irc channel on
freenode, so if something is strange, you may want to go there...
http://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1channels=qi-hardware
Wolfgang
actually I am currently thinking about the label to be put on
Milkymist One, my favorite right now is:
Milkymist One
Made on Earth
(ce) (fcc)
Maybe some other logos like cc-by-sa, rohs?
Attributions are the center of our culture, but I will not take
a primus inter pari role simply because I'm
David,
here's the first draft of the Milkymist One product label (to
be attached to the bottom of the case)
http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/wolfgang/tmp/m1-product-label.png
Does this work for you? Anything missing?
Feedback welcome as always,
Wolfgang
Jane,
that's getting seriously good, looking forward to the final pictures.
Will you sell those? I may want to order one or two for myself.
The hole for headphone is perfect, if only we could detect headphone
insertion and removal in software... That's definitely something to
add in the future.
David,
got an article about the Nanonote into the magazine Vierte Dimension
http://www.forth-ev.de/repos/vd/4d2010-04.pdf
Excellent work, thank you very much for the initiative!
I added this article (as well as another one that was just published
about Milkymist One) to our What others are
Jane,
here are the final pictures
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Jlime-case-final-01.jpg
Great, I cleaned the background a little and will mention it in the
monthly community news.
So: Can I order two? If two is too much work, how about one?
Maybe pay with PayPal and just ship in a
We managed again to sum up some of the things that happened with
the NanoNote, Milkymist One and other projects, and illustrate the
news with nice pictures too...
Check it out at
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/News
Thanks to the wonderful contributors, I hope there is something you
all find
Jane,
If you want it to look exactly like the pictured one, I can do
that but the 6th one has some design improvements.
No, then I rather wait until the 6th generation is out...
The ones you have now are so good already, whatever next complete one
you have, I would like to buy one (or two) :-)
Yi,
great work!
@David
- Most of the screenshots are *fake* given that they show a color
terminal, although gmenu2x currently disables colors on the first
console (fix it by removing the setfont command from /usr/bin/gmenu2x
script). This may disappoint quite a number of users (and
Yi,
I particularly like how you start to collect contributor information.
If you or others don't mind I renamed that to 'Credits:', and will also
sit down to try to collect more names there.
I feel giving proper credits is one of our core values, especially as
we accumulate more and more free
David,
- Some of the screenshots are not default setting screenshots and I do
plan to replace them to reflect what the user will actually see with
current image.
Please think thrice before doing that. B/W screenshots with unreadable
font-size may not impress most people. I like the
David,
Which CC license? The non-commercial CC license won't work for the wiki
IIRC.
Ah true, I assumed it's cc-by or cc-by-sa. I'm pretty sure that's
what he meant. Some of those CC licenses are really crazy, just today
I ran into the CC Sampling+ license, which allows use of unmodified
Indeed we don't. A completely empty battery takes about 180 mA; it
doesn't matter if it comes from a computer (4,5 V for me, but that's
really too low) or a wall charger (4,7 V).
Interesting. Is it programmable to draw more, or always just 180mA?
Werner,
So it seems, yes. It's basically a poor man's current splitting,
with fixed allocations for battery and system. A more flexible
charger chip would draw a constant ~500 mA from USB and send
everything the system doesn't need to the battery.
Also note that the Ben always tries to
Just got exciting news from our NanoNote customer and supporter
Nick Montfort. Yesterday he released his interactive fiction system
Curveship, and today it's already running on his Ben NanoNote! :-)
http://nickm.com/post/2011/02/pocket-curveship/
Curveship is (quoting) an interactive fiction
Mark,
I was fascinated by the tiny little Supertwist LCD. Are those types
of display still made? 'Cause I've always wanted a little laptop
with one of those
I don't know, but I doubt it. The supply chains and customizations
of a production line are just all gone at some point, and there
is no
Jane,
Now I am interested in the subject in general and would like to
give writing for them a go. I myght even be able to link in my
comic art skills too!
Hope I did not hijack the post or talk you guys' ears off.
Why don't you try to use Curveship then? There are some samples
in the
I've been far too quiet about Milkymist One, simply because there is
so much to talk about/announce and I don't know where to start :-)
I have just uploaded the 31 page document about CE/FCC/EMI conformity
tests we did in Berlin at http://reichl-emv.de
(whom I can very much recommend for copyleft
forgot the link to the test document...
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Reichl_milkymist_one_tests_11000301.pdf
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Can you advertise this on your sharism.cc webshop as well?
Right now people are asking me why there is no mention of Milkymist on
the Sharism website...
Point them to Tuxbrain or Hackable Devices. I will work on
cleaning up sharism.cc but it will take time.
Can we keep most Milkymist-related
Fully functioning as in working, or as in OpenCores Certified?
(sorry I think the model where this worked best 333, not 323)
I don't know to which degree it works, and how reusable it is. It just
came up when Andrey and me talked, and he mentioned he once spent
6 months to implement an Ogg
Going to try whether make clean/distclean works, but this is going to
take some time. Maybe somebody can tell me in the meantime whether
that's a known problem?
It might well persist. I've had a number of packages fail in my last
full build about 2 weeks ago (not this one though).
Xiangfu
If you are not subscribed to or reading the Qi planet, Mirko just
posted a pretty cool blog entry...
http://nanl.de/blog/2011/02/ben-nanonote-able-to-control-radio-power-sockets/
Copyleft hardware planet is here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/planet/
RSS: http://en.qi-hardware.com/planet/rss20.xml
Andres,
I have no plan, but market exists. The facts:
- Many MeeGo and Maemo users and developers feel abandoned.
...
I agree with your sentiments, and I too followed the Nokia decision
making process with great interest.
However, we don't need to be as short-sighted as some others are. I
Adam,
excellent work and thanks for fixing this bug.
As the manufacturer responsible for this mistake, I offer to apply the
fix for the (few) jtag-serial boards that are already shipped out by
now.
Please keep in mind though that the boards carrying this bug work
perfectly fine in USB full-speed
David,
thanks for reporting!
http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/index.php?limit=500ilsearch=gnuplotusername=title=Special%3AListFiles
Lists no matches, although multiple images referenced from the
Applications page should match.
Yes very strange. I played a bit and it seems whenever mediawiki has
Xiangfu,
excellent data points! Thanks!
This confirms Lars prognosis that putting the Linux kernel inside a large
ubifs would be a bad idea.
In my opinion that data you collected means that:
*) We leave the Linux kernel outside of ubifs for now, in a flat
partition. If we want to support
Xiangfu,
fantastic work - congratulations!
* boot time needs 10s, shutdown time 1s
Wow that looks (over)ambitious. I think boot time 15 seconds would
be great, 20 seconds is acceptable. Let's define realistic goals
and keep in mind our very limited resources. If boot time is 18
seconds,
There are at least 3 web browsers in the image (links, elinks, lynx)?
I haven't installed yet, but there may also be w3m and netsurf?
I would hesitate to remove any one of them right now because we
know so little about how a Ben user would actually use a browser,
so leaving them in gives room
Hi,
I am very happy that I can now offer a much more complete Milkymist
One product for 499 USD plus shipping (shipping with Fedex from
Taipei).
The package includes:
*) Milkymist One RC2 board
*) high-speed capable jtag-serial daughterboard
*) US or EU power adapter (others upon request, such as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROS_(Robot_Operating_System)
http://www.ros.org/wiki/
Wonder how much RAM it )ROS) needs? Has been ported
to several *nix systems, but not to OpenWrt.
Nice link - I neved heard about ROS before. THANK YOU!
It seems it is true free software, sources are BSD
Booting into hardware USBBOOT mode was exactly the same as booting
into software USBBOOT mode. reflash_ben.sh was able to boot the device
but not reflash it. On the second attempt usb 2-2: device descriptor
read/64, error -110 appeared in the logs.
Can you try this from a different host
Jow,
thank you so much for your help, it is very appreciated!
Wolfgang
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David,
since there quite a lot german participants in Nanonote development,
what do you think about the chances that qi-hardware could be present at
Linux-Tag 2011 in Berlin? I would be able to be present for 1 or 2 full
days.
Unfortunately the prject registration deadline is today, Feb
BTW, according to
http://hackable-devices.org/events/event/linuxtag2011/
John Lejeune from hackable devices is going to be at Linux-Tag.
That should mean that NanoNotes and Milkymist One are there as well.
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roh,
(I didn't get a conclusive answer on which list to post this to,
so continue cross-posting for now)
I recently assembled my Milkymist One case and here's some feedback:
---1
I found a few small things to improve in the assembly documentation
at
Jane,
I happened to notice that the new Dingoo A380 handheld game
console will use the Ingenic 4755 at 500 mhz. I am pretty
sure with its low space tolerance , they are not going to
be using a fan.
Fan sounds scary indeed, sometimes I forget that some computers
still use fans...
Maybe we
Sebastien,
Parts of Milkymist SoC that I wrote are launching on a NASA flight to
the ISS next January... so I guess it's not that immature, at least for
No worries, we'll make it :-)
BTW - I have _two_ Milkymist One left - you can always find a reason why
to wait, later, when it's more
[0] In case you're wondering what's happening to Iris, I've decided to
work on projects one at a time now. Iris is not on the top of the list,
which means I don't work on it at all currently. However, when it is at
the top of the list, I'll be spending a lot of time on it, and it should
If you have a few minutes to spare, Yann Sionneau made a nice
Milkymist presentation for OSHUG in London (remixed from several
presentations by Sebastien, mostly)
http://sionneau.net/milkymist_oshug8.pdf
Nice introduction to the project, I think.
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Bas,
That's great news! I want the 4730, so I can make Iris work properly on
the Trendtac.[0] :-)
It's always best to actually look at something specific. There
seems to be no 4730 Programmer's Manual on the FTP right now.
It is possible that all relevant 4730 documentation shows up in
other
I wonder what the current average price is on that process?
You mean price of a 'processor' or price of the 'process' of
making ICs?
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What about using that opportunity to try and use bitcoins?
I hope I can sell Milkymist One for bitcoins. Need to learn more
about it... roh pointed it out the other day and so far I like it :-)
Cheers,
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Wolfgang I don't CP large chunks of text for the People who WANT to
read the full article(emphasis mine).
I could use a short quote and the URL to 'TELL the article TO them',
but the large chunks are for the people that want me to 'FEEL the
article AT them'.
Fine, but if too many people
Hi, we have a few twitter and identi.ca accounts that are more
or less dormant:
http://identi.ca/group/nanonote (82 members)
http://identi.ca/qihardware (153 subscribers, 17 groups)
http://twitter.com/qihardware (312 followers, 22 lists)
I am a big fan of twitter and identi.ca and facebook and
How about one sentence? You are a complete idiot.
Our community is based on values of utmost respect and friendliness.
This is not the first time you have demonstrated pretty much the
exact opposite.
If you do this one more time, I am afraid you will be testing my
abilities as one of the mailing
Michael,
I don't think anybody ever built an ARM version of xburst-tools.
You should try reflash_ben.sh in your virtual machine first, I think
all of them support proper USB forwarding nowadays and reflashing
should work. Quite a few people reflash their Bens from inside a
virtual machine.
Hope
Jon,
thanks for pointing it out.
From their site:
Q: How can I access the WebM RTL source code?
A: WebM RTL source code (VHDL or Verilog) is available at no charge. Please
contact us for licensing details.
Can you contact them for those licensing details? Can they upload
the sources under GPL
cut
many pages of copy/paste, off-topic, spam, slander, etc
/cut
If the list is going to be kept at immature social cliche atmosphere
of a middle school I don't want to to be on it.
Ah yes, thank you. That is kindly accepted and I hope you
find a forum that is more in line with your interests
Thanks to everybody who participated in so many ways, we have
a wonderful monthly newsletter to share with everyone, which I
encourage you all to read...
http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Community_news_2011-04-04
There are many good links in there too, for the curious.
Cheers,
Wolfgang
Jane,
thanks for comparing the two in such a well meaning way.
Learnt something (again) :-)
Wolfgang
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These are totally great! Can I get the sources for them please!
they are here:
http://sionneau.net/oshug8/
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My idea is to just buy a solar lawn light and tie the panel into the
electric circuits of BEN.
What are the issues, and is it worth it?
There are a lot of small and large solar panels with a USB
cable coming out for power. You can probably use them to charge
Ben NanoNote, I always wanted to
Jane,
I'm not sure anybody ever tried this, maybe you are the first :-)
We can see whether we can mail you a Z key, if we have one
somewhere. I didn't even know the keys were removable (they are
definitely not meant to be removed imho).
Wolfgang
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thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Yes, I fully agree, of course. We talked a bit about making the
m1 always go back to whatever it did last, after a power cycle.
So if it was running a patch, you unplug the power, replug and boot:
It should go back to that patch. If it was running through a
now I can playback fullscreen video 320x176 pixels at 24 fps without
jerking. cpu load stays mostly btween 50% and 80%.
This looks *very* nice. The Ben's LCD reacts very quickly, seeing no
tearing on high motion scenes. Speaker is also load enough to watch
movies that usually have lower
I totally agree that man and info pages would be nice on the Nano,
but unfortunately at least in OpenWrt afaik man and info pages are
normally stripped out. We will need to spend some time to think
about the easiest way to get them back.
Maybe Jlime has them?
Yes, I think we can include VP8 in the whitelisted codecs, for now I'm
not aware of credible patent threats against it.
Since David was asking for a complete codec whitelist, Dirac also comes
to mind, I think ffmpeg supports Dirac so if it's easy to enable, we
should enable it.
Jane,
that's really cool that you try to bring more artists on board.
As for including some of my music on the NanoNote, I'm not at
all opposed to this. I have chosen a license which prevents
unauthorised commercial use specifically to prevent people
being sold an album they could get from me
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