Am 24.10.2017 um 13:34 schrieb Pradyun Gedam:
There's actually a couple of PEPs written for this
-- PEP 458 and PEP 480. :)
Thank you for the links.
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I stumbled over this page: https://theupdateframework.github.io/
I guess people interested in distutils might be interested in it.
For people too lazy to click on links (like me), I copy+paste the
content:
A
Framework for Securing
Am 08.09.2017 um 14:54 schrieb Thomas Güttler:
It would be great, if I could install psutil without the need for a gcc on
linux.
The maintainer (Giampaolo Rodola) is interested, but the roadmap is not clear
yet.
He said:
> It's something which needs to be investigated. A quick Goo
ub.com/joerick/cibuildwheel
> ...so it appears it's definitively possible.
Is this the current state of the art, or is there a better way?
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I am looking for
that makes them unwilling to do so?
Hi Paul,
I think this is a very good question!
I started a new thread to make this more visible.
Are there PBR/distutils2 hackers on this list here?
If yes: Do you support this pep?
If no: where can you meet PBR/distutils2 hackers?
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tion calls)?
I mean that the setuptools/distutils/whatever libraries will handle all needed
conditions?
This would mean setup.py would be a pure data structure which could be encoded
in json or yaml.
What do you think?
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Am 08.04.2017 um 01:51 schrieb Wes Turner:
AFAIU, the only way to read the package version from the {git, hg, } source
repository is to run the setup.py.
I see. This is the only way at the moment.
Let's look back. How was this in the past? Maybe five years ago?
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Am 06.04.2017 um 17:22 schrieb Nathaniel Smith:
> On Apr 6, 2017 7:32 AM, "Thomas Güttler" <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
> <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> Dear Nick and other distutils listeners,
>
> Nick wrote this
Dear Nick and other distutils listeners,
Nick wrote this about seven months ago:
http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2016/09/python-packaging-ecosystem.html
I love Python and I use it daily.
On the other hand there are other interesting programming languages out there.
Why not do
Am 29.03.2017 um 10:27 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 29 March 2017 at 17:51, Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 March 2017 at 06:29, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
I am stupid and missing a guiding hand which gives me simple straight forward
Am 29.03.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 29 March 2017 at 10:31, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 29.03.2017 um 09:51 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 29 March 2017 at 06:29, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>
wrote:
I am stupid and missing a
Am 29.03.2017 um 10:27 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 29 March 2017 at 17:51, Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 March 2017 at 06:29, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
I am stupid and missing a guiding hand which gives me simple straight forward
Am 29.03.2017 um 09:51 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 29 March 2017 at 06:29, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
I am stupid and missing a guiding hand which gives me simple straight forward
step by step instruction.
To do what?
To find canonical docs. With "canoni
.
I am stupid and missing a guiding hand which gives me simple straight forward
step by step instruction.
Please help me.
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Am 25.03.2017 um 06:38 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> On 25 March 2017 at 07:12, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
> <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> Am 24.03.2017 um 05:59 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> > So the lesson we've learned is that f
here since several
years, but up to now I found to concrete path to follow.
I know that all here are doing their best. If you feel insulted, then I am not
sorry at all. Since I did not do it.
I just wrote what I feel. This is my personal problem. Not yours.
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to add sourceURL to the pep?
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Am 21.03.2017 um 15:26 schrieb Wes Turner:
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
> <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> AFAIK it is impossible to do this:
>
> pip install -e foo
>
>
l in development mode.
>
> In which folder would the command `pip install -e some.project`
> unpack/checkout `some.project`?
Up to now I never specified a directory.
I used "pip install -e git+https://...#egg=foo; already very often.
Up to now pip cloned the git repo into a directo
rom
the repo.
AFAIK there is no official way to define a "Canonical Repo URL" up to now.
If I want to provide it for my custom packages. How could I do this?
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Am 16.01.2017 um 18:06 schrieb Jim Fulton:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
Am 13.01.2017 um 16:25 schrieb Jim Fulton:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:23 AM, Thomas Gütt
Am 13.01.2017 um 16:25 schrieb Jim Fulton:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:23 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
What is an application for you?
Another way to think about this, FWIW, is to distinguish between the &
Am 13.01.2017 um 14:07 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 13 January 2017 at 12:23, Thomas Güttler
<guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 12.01.2017 um 13:43 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 12 January 2017 at 22:04, Thomas Güttler
<guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
I came across a python l
for
the docs?
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authentication, authorisation and trust management
> for the release publication step.
Yes, trust management is very hard.
I think it can't be solved, and never will.
Things are different if you run a build server in your own LAN (self hosting).
Regard
ve to decide where you draw the line for what
> you support or not (for instance, you may support Ubuntu/RHEL/Anaconda, but
> you may decide that any version of CPython running on HPUX is not supported).
I guess you are right. I will abandon my idea.
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Am 01.11.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Matthew Brett:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 01.11.2016 um 10:50 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
>>>
>>> On 1 November 2016 at 17:30, T
Am 01.11.2016 um 10:50 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 1 November 2016 at 17:30, Thomas Güttler
<guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 17.09.2016 um 12:29 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
Hi folks,
Prompted by a few posts I read recently about the current state of the
Python packaging ecosystem, I f
I deleted my thoughts about the topic "Automating wheel
creation", since
I am a afraid it could raise bad mood in this list again. That's not my goal.
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Please tell me what's wrong with above text.
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Am 25.05.2016 um 15:56 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 25 May 2016 at 23:42, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 25.05.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Alex Grönholm:
Amen to that, but who will pay for it? I imagine a great deal of
processing power would be required for this.
Am 25.05.2016 um 15:55 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 25 May 2016 at 14:42, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 25.05.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Alex Grönholm:
Amen to that, but who will pay for it? I imagine a great deal of
processing power would be required for this.
Am 25.05.2016 um 15:52 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 25 May 2016 at 17:13, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
If you want wheel to be successful, **provide a build server**.
Thomas, aside from that statement being demonstrably untrue (since the
wheel format has already
that
money for projects like this is available. Of course this was no official
statement.
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setup.py, what happens?
I guess there will be two ways the packages get installed on my system. Is my
assumption correct?
Is this current behaviour intentional?
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Do wheels help here?
Or is there a way to use npm for python packages?
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Am 14.04.2016 um 20:50 schrieb John Wong:
On Apr 14, 2016 2:20 AM, "Thomas Güttler" <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
> Next use case: you use software third-party-foo-lib in your project.
> Up to now you use i
Am 14.04.2016 um 14:31 schrieb Ian Cordasco:
On Apr 14, 2016 2:20 AM, "Thomas Güttler" <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> I think it would be very cool if you could install a package editable
> without the repo-
lib"
and now you are read to create pull requests?
What do you think?
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current original:
https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/blob/master/docs/setuptools.txt#L1273
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Am 17.11.2015 um 13:48 schrieb Donald Stufft:
On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com
<mailto:n...@pobox.com>> wrote:
On Nov 16, 2015 11:57 PM, "Thomas Güttler" <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wr
Am 17.11.2015 um 09:02 schrieb Robert Collins:
On 17 November 2015 at 20:57, Thomas Güttler
<guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
The job of a dependency is to enable tools like pip [#pip]_ to find the right
package to install.
My worries: AFAIK pip is not a library.
I don't want
Am 17.11.2015 um 14:57 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
On 17 November 2015 at 23:43, Thomas Güttler
<guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
Am 17.11.2015 um 13:48 schrieb Donald Stufft:
On Nov 17, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com
<mailto:n...@pobox.com>> wrote:
y opinion.
What is not acceptable?
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roceed.
Please tell me what to do.
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Am 11.11.2015 um 13:59 schrieb Donald Stufft:
On November 11, 2015 at 1:30:57 AM, Thomas Güttler
(guettl...@thomas-guettler.de) wrote:
Maybe I am missing something, but still think server side dependency resolution
is possible.
I don’t believe it’s possible nor desirable to have
Am 12.11.2015 um 13:32 schrieb Leonardo Rochael Almeida:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I think your idea could be very useful as an accelerator if installation in
> closed environments, as you suggested in your last e-mail, but which wasn't
> clear in your first.
>
> After all, in closed environments you
ere is a new topic in your mail which I will reply to in a new thread.
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I wrote down a tought about Serverside Dependency Resolution and Virtualenv
Build Server
What do you think?
Latest version: https://github.com/guettli/virtualenv-build-server
virtualenv-build-server
###
Rough roadmap how a server to build virtualenvs for the python
ich parts are on bitbucket and which are on github?
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want something like this?
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ask here.
If you don't like my question ... sorry they are just a mirror of the current
state of the docs.
For me the basic docs are more important than the "important improvements".
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Am 05.11.2015 um 20:36 schrieb Donald Stufft:
> On November 5, 2015 at 2:27:36 PM, Thomas Güttler
> (guettl...@thomas-guettler.de) wrote:
>> Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:
>>> As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend
>>
waste of time in my eyes.
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Am 05.11.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Ian Cordasco:
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
>> Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:
>>> As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend
>>> to
ut why is there an
effort to create "The Update Framework”, and why integrate
it with pypi?
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nd bitbucket, and discuss issues on the pypa-dev mailing list.
Why are there pypa on github and bitbucket?
Is one the master and the other the mirror?
Or does one host part A and the other hosts part B?
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chris.bar...@noaa.gov>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> > I have a dream: For packagin
Am 22.10.2015 um 18:31 schrieb Chris Barker:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
If setuptools in inside Python, then different versions of Python each have
their matching vers
Am 22.10.2015 um 18:34 schrieb Chris Barker:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
I prefer the code of unittests to the not testable sentences in a standard.
sure -- but unittests are
Am 23.10.2015 um 21:12 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> On 22 October 2015 at 18:07, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
>> Am 21.10.2015 um 17:05 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
>>> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau <courn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>&g
well as from the new tool works out much better than trying to
> trim down the legacy tool over time
I prefer the code of unittests to the not testable sentences in a standard.
But maybe I am missing something.
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Am 22.10.2015 um 09:28 schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> Am 21.10.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Chris Barker:
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2
et the exact details but I recall
> unzipping it to take a look, seeing it wasn’t OSS and closing it after that.
Hi Donald,
If distil is good software, it's sad that there is no licence. Maybe there is
an mail adress to contact
the orignal author?
Most authors feel proud if they get positive feedback.
Am 21.10.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Daniel Holth:
> The strategy that we are successfully pursuing is to standardize around file
> formats that the build tools generate and the installers and runtime can
> consume.
> For example we can convert a setuptools egg or a bdist_wininst .exe to a
> wheel,
Am 21.10.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Chris Barker:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
> <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> I ask myself: Why a standard? I see that a standard is very important if
>
Am 21.10.2015 um 17:15 schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:05:29 +0200
> Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau <courn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas
Am 21.10.2015 um 14:55 schrieb David Cournapeau:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> Am 21.10.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Ionel Cristian Mărieș:
>
>
>
Am 21.10.2015 um 17:05 schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau <courn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler
>> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
>>> ok, at the moment setuptools
important if there
will be
several implementations (for example TCP/IP, protocols like HTTP, SMTP, IMAP,
...)
But here a single implementation for creating and installing packages would be
enough.
Is a standard really needed?
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Am 21.10.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Chris Barker:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
> <mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>
> I ask myself: Why a standard? I see that a standard is very important if
>
Am 21.10.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Ionel Cristian Mărieș:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de
<mailto:guettl...@thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
Why not deprecate and remove distutils?
Should we or can we? There was an attempt at
in the long run.
This is the birds eye view of a particular problem I have.
But the particular problem is not that important.
Are you willing to clean up and deprecate old stuff?
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Am 10.10.2015 um 10:47 schrieb Wichert Akkerman:
> Also having test code in the package can be very painful if you use tools
> like venusian which scan and try to import all Python files.
Hi Wichert Akkerman,
can you please explain this pain?
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Am 08.10.2015 um 23:33 schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:05:16 +0200
Thomas Güttler <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
This is a follow up to the thread "Where should I put tests when packaging python
modules?"
I have never used tox up to now. But r
remains: If a new comer asks you "How to package my
python code and its tests?", there should be one default answer
which works for 80% of all cases.
I think the confusion gets worse by creating new public accessible
repos which explain "Hey that's my way to package stupid simple
python
tox.
Any reasons not to do it?
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d and how dependencies are managed.
>
> Lets not use `setup.py test`. It's either bad or useless.
Sorry, I am not an expert in the area "packaging".
I don't understand what you say.
I thought "easy_install" is a very old and deprecated method.
Why not us
t/distributing/
That's why started the thread.
New comers don't have the experience you have. New comers
want to get their coding done. They need a simple
advice: "If unsure, then do X"
And for this question, I want a "one right way here".
Up to now it looks like there is no consensus.
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side the module like this:
https://github.com/pypa/sampleproject/tree/master/tests
I think there is no need to hurry. Let's wait one week,
and then check which one is preferred.
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one week has passed. I check the feedback. Most people want one README.rst.
I see the file was already updated:
https://github.com/pypa/sampleproject/commit/e7de7861963274595c5b3b0d6942e35ce5a733bc
Issue solved.
Thank you Carl Meyer!
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Am 27.09.2015 um 12:20 schrieb
Am 27.09.2015 um 13:06 schrieb Paul Moore:
> On 27 September 2015 at 11:20, Thomas Güttler
> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
>> Any good reason to **not** use README.rst but a different
>> name like DESCRIPTION.rst?
>
> If I recall, the reason for using DESC
in a week or two and write
a pull request to https://github.com/pypa/sampleproject/blob/master/setup.py
if there is an agreement.
If an agreement was found, which other documents should be updated?
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consensus. It
does not
matter which packages I refer to.
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Thomas Güttler
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, and perhaps other platform specific distribution systems).
}}}
**And** I would move the historic background (the second of the above quotes)
at the end.
Meta: are you interested in feedback like this?
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by step way.
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Hi,
just out of curiosity:
Is it possible to get the dependencies of a package without full download from
pypi?
If you want to build a graph of dependencies this would be nice, since it would
reduce the network traffic a lot.
Regards,
Thomas Güttler
Am 14.02.2015 um 00:11 schrieb Donald Stufft:
...
requirements.txt and setup.py serve different purposes, requirements.txt is
for
an environment, setup.py is for a package. It doesn't make sense for a
setup.py
to read from a requirement.txt just like it wouldn't make sense for a deb
I was told:
{{{
Pip does not have a public API and because of that there is no backwards
compatibility contract. It's impossible to fully parse every type of
requirements.txt without a session so either parse_requirements needs to create
one if it doesn't (which means if we forget to pass in a
obvious, unfortunately.
}}}
Since docs are important, I want this to change.
Where should be the docs about the allowed characters in this place?
Please don't provide details about which characters are allowed or not.
This issue is about where the docs should be. Details later :-)
Thomas Güttler
Hi,
where is the reference of the allowed characters in the name argument of
setuptool.setup()?
I could not find it.
Regards,
Thomas Güttler
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Am 02.02.2015 um 14:15 schrieb Paul Moore:
On 30 January 2015 at 07:57, Thomas Güttler
guettl...@thomas-guettler.de wrote:
where is the reference of the allowed characters in the name argument of
setuptool.setup()?
I could not find it.
https://packaging.python.org/en/latest
Hi,
I can live without a post-install hook.
But I think the documentation of setuptools
should contain information about this.
https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/issue/92/docs-post-install-hook
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Hi,
what needs to be done, to get an update of the entry_point file,
if you have installed a package as develop.
Example:
pip install -e ...#egg=mylib
git update # new code contains new entry point
... entrypoint not available.
Thomas
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after every update or commit.
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It would be very nice, if you could agree on a common name, and suggest it here.
I know, you can't force it. Please give a good advice here.
Should I open a new ticket?
Thomas Güttler
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