Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-12 Thread Ben Finney
David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net writes: If you have a zip/archive file, you can put anything in it. No reason why 'everything' can't go in it. A L'Oeuf incredible might include a Python 2.x and Python 3.x code set, make code for linux, .pyd for windows. It would be so un-confusing to

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-12 Thread David Lyon
Ben writes: However, you're now talking about changing the package format, and not the terminology of what we already have. So I'm dropping this sub-thread. ok - up to you. Don't talk about: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0376/ David ___

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-10 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Suno Ano suno@sunoano.org wrote:  John I would also add the common use of the term distribution to  John that glossary as well. Yes, true that, at http://python.org/download/ we have *distributions* to download. I figure the definition for *Installer*

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-10 Thread David Lyon
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Suno Ano suno@sunoano.org wrote:  John I would also add the common use of the term distribution to  John that glossary as well. Yes, true that, at http://python.org/download/ we have *distributions* to download. I figure the definition for *Installer*

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-09 Thread Suno Ano
John I would also add the common use of the term distribution to John that glossary as well. Yes, true that, at http://python.org/download/ we have *distributions* to download. I figure the definition for *Installer* should then include that term too. To summarize, we now have the terms -

[Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
This quote is taken from the distutils thread current preferred way to specify dependencies? future?, On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a bit confused myself... PEP-345 says it

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Eric Smith
Brad Allen wrote: This quote is taken from the distutils thread current preferred way to specify dependencies? future?, On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a bit confused myself...

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: [..] Normally the word 'distribution' is reserved for what lands in the 'dist' directory, such as a tarball or an egg...right? Right. We should use the terminology as defined in

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Eric Smith
Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: [..] Normally the word 'distribution' is reserved for what lands in the 'dist' directory, such as a tarball or an egg...right? Right. We should use the terminology as defined in

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: [..] We should use the terminology as defined in http://docs.python.org/distutils/introduction.html#distutils-specific-terminology So technically

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think, is that operating systems like Debian refer to their software distributions as packages (as in, a packaged up piece of software that you can download and install). Packages is a great name

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread John Gabriele
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think, is that operating systems like Debian refer to their software distributions as packages (as in, a packaged up piece

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think, is that operating systems like Debian refer to

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:29 AM 1/7/2010 -0600, Brad Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconsistency, I think,

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Allen wrote: This quote is taken from the distutils thread current preferred way to specify dependencies? future?, On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, John Gabriele

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
8614 *projects*, some of which have one or more *versions*, which in turn may have one or more source or binary *distributions*. Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*. As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. Regards, Martin

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:20 PM 1/7/2010 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: 8614 *projects*, some of which have one or more *versions*, which in turn may have one or more source or binary *distributions*. Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*. Not all versions are released versions, so I

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Instead of version, I really like PyPI's term more: *releases*. Not all versions are released versions Actually, from a PyPI point of view, they are :-) Regards, Martin ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Allen
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are probably some places where the word 'package' should be replaced with the word 'project', right? For

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Brad Allen bradallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are probably some places

Re: [Distutils] packaging terminology confusion

2010-01-07 Thread Stephen Waterbury
Brad Allen wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: As for projects: fine with me; PyPI would then be the Python Project Index. +1 If this gets general agreement, there are probably some places where the word 'package' should be replaced with the word