Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-17 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 17 December 2014 at 02:48, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 16, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: The way I see it, we're all volunteers. We voluntarily work on free software and associated support infrastructure. Some of us are simply lucky enough to

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-17 Thread Chris Withers
On 16/12/2014 12:02, Marius Gedminas wrote: Is there something I’m not aware that is broken currently? I thought the transition was going pretty smoothly overall considering that a core piece of code inside of setuptools was touched. ~80 zope.* test builds are currently failing, for mysterious

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-17 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:09:56AM +, Chris Withers wrote: FWIW, I've also been seeing failures in all of my buildout-based library testing Jenkins jobs: This one only on Windows and Python 2.7 only, NOT Python 2.6: C:\Jenkins\workspace\checker-buildout\aeb5917bC:\Python27\python.exe

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Maurits van Rees m.van.r...@zestsoftware.nl wrote: Maurits van Rees schreef op 15-12-14 23:50: TMP2/setuptools-8.0.4-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py:2425: RuntimeWarning: 'zc.buildout-2.3.0 ()'

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:45:28PM -0500, Donald Stufft wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think the changes in version management in setuptools 8 are a great step forward, but I think the transition is going to hurt a lot. For buildout, I'm

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Maurits van Rees m.van.r...@zestsoftware.nl wrote: Maurits van Rees schreef op 15-12-14 23:50: TMP2/setuptools-8.0.4-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py:2425: RuntimeWarning: 'zc.buildout-2.3.0 ()' is

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-12-16 02:25:33 -0500 (-0500), Donald Stufft wrote: Openstack won’t be providing one, they are adapting server to PEP 440 syntax. [...] Confirmed, we're very close now and will likely be interoperating with Setuptools 8 in our test infrastructure for all supported branches later this

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2014-12-16 02:25:33 -0500 (-0500), Donald Stufft wrote: Openstack won’t be providing one, they are adapting server to PEP 440 syntax. [...] Confirmed, we're very close now and will likely be interoperating with

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-12-16 18:11:12 +0300 (+0300), anatoly techtonik wrote: It would be more useful if the powers behind OpenStack could sponsor development of proper PEP scheme to untangle its own workflow instead of relying on imperfect PEP solutions that are being done by volunteers in their free time.

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 16, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: The way I see it, we're all volunteers. We voluntarily work on free software and associated support infrastructure. Some of us are simply lucky enough to find sponsors willing to pay us to do it full time (and while I

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Fulton
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: ... Yea, I’m incredibly lucky to have found someone willing to pay me for my hobby. Rackspace pays me to work on Python packaging Thanks Rackspace! Jim -- Jim Fulton http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think the changes in version management in setuptools 8 are a great step forward, but I think the transition is going to hurt a lot. For buildout, I'm thinking of of releasing 2.3.1 that reverts the changes in 2.3 and adds

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Collins
+1 - I think thats a great idea. We've had to pin setuptools 8 in the OpenStack ecosystem too. It would have been nice to offer some period of time where the cases which were going to change would have warned. I realise thats non-trivial, but this is systemic infrastructure at the core of our

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: +1 - I think thats a great idea. We've had to pin setuptools 8 in the OpenStack ecosystem too. As far as I’m aware, Openstack is just about ready to unpin setuptools. I believe the only thing holding it back is a

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think the changes in version management in setuptools 8 are a great step forward, but I think the transition is going to hurt a lot. For buildout, I'm

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Collins
We're currently pinned - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052985.html - we tried a fix, it broke things more, so we rolled it back and are now working on a new one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141667/ - which will simply *stop including version data* in our

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Maurits van Rees
Jim Fulton schreef op 15-12-14 19:51: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think the changes in version management in setuptools 8 are a great step forward, but I think the transition is going to

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Maurits van Rees
Maurits van Rees schreef op 15-12-14 23:50: TMP2/setuptools-8.0.4-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py:2425: RuntimeWarning: 'zc.buildout-2.3.0 ()' is being parsed as a legacy, non PEP 440, version. You may find odd behavior and sort order. In particular it will be sorted as less than 0.0. It is recommend

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Maurits van Rees m.van.r...@zestsoftware.nl wrote: Maurits van Rees schreef op 15-12-14 23:50: TMP2/setuptools-8.0.4-py2.7.egg/pkg_resources.py:2425: RuntimeWarning: 'zc.buildout-2.3.0 ()' is being parsed as a legacy, non PEP 440, version. You may find odd

Re: [Distutils] setuptools 8 changes are great, but ...

2014-12-15 Thread Donald Stufft
On Dec 16, 2014, at 1:42 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Maurits van Rees m.van.r...@zestsoftware.nl wrote: Maurits van Rees schreef op 15-12-14 23:50: