Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 11 February 2016 at 17:50, Ralf Gommers wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Paul Moore wrote: >> >> On 10 February 2016 at 13:23, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> > On 10 February 2016 at 20:53, Paul Moore

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Feb 11, 2016, at 01:58 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >Hmm, I got the py2dsc reference from https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging >but the newer https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide doesn't appear >to mention any particular way of generating the initial packaging skeleton >from the

Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 11 February 2016 at 14:02, David Cournapeau wrote: > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Paul Moore > wrote: > > We should probably also check with the flit people

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 11 February 2016 at 11:12, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > >>But those people will then find that distributing their sources isn't >>something that flit covers, so they'll make up their own approach (if it were >>me, I'd probably just

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 at 10:01 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> On 11.02.2016 17:48, Donald Stufft wrote: >> > >> >> On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >> >> >> Then why

[Distutils] deprecating pip install --target

This is fairly broken - it doesn't handle platlib vs purelib (see pip PR 3450), doesn't handle data files, or any other layout. Donald says pip uses it to maintain the _vendor subtrees only, which doesn't seem like a particularly strong use case. Certainly the help description for it is

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

I'm a little over this particular subthread of the topic - we did it to death late last year. So apologies in advance if I get a little terse. On 12 February 2016 at 05:08, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 10.02.2016 19:46, Robert Collins wrote: >> On 11 February 2016 at 02:36, M.-A.

Re: [Distutils] deprecating pip install --target

On 11 February 2016 at 19:07, Robert Collins wrote: > But, I think it would be better to deprecate it and remove it... so > I'm pinging here to see if anyone can explain a sensible use case for > it in the context of pip :) I have used it in the past to bundle

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Feb 11, 2016 1:23 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: > > I'm a little over this particular subthread of the topic - we did it > to death late last year. So apologies in advance if I get a little > terse. > > On 12 February 2016 at 05:08, M.-A. Lemburg

Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:30 PM, David Cournapeau > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Paul Moore wrote: >> > >>> We should probably also check with

Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 11 February 2016 at 14:02, David Cournapeau wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Paul Moore wrote: We should probably also check with the flit people that the proposed approach works for them. (Are there any other alternative

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 10.02.2016 19:46, Robert Collins wrote: > On 11 February 2016 at 02:36, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>> Currently what pip does is to >>> invoke >>> >>> $ python setup.py egg_info --egg-base $TEMPDIR >>> >>> to get the metadata. It is not possible to get the metadata without

Re: [Distutils] deprecating pip install --target

Robert Collins robertcollins.net> writes: > > This is fairly broken - it doesn't handle platlib vs purelib (see pip > PR 3450), doesn't handle data files, or any other layout. Donald says > pip uses it to maintain the _vendor subtrees only, which doesn't seem > like a particularly strong use

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 12 February 2016 at 08:45, Wes Turner wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2016 1:23 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: >> We already have a command which outputs the needed info (as egg info) >> - and my draft PEP has a similar one, using PEP427 wheel METADATA >>

Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 11 February 2016 at 17:50, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > >> > >> On 10 February 2016 at 13:23, Nick Coghlan

Re: [Distutils] PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 11 February 2016 at 15:01, David Cournapeau wrote: >> We've only really seen bento and now flit appear as alternatives, the >> only conclusion we've been able to draw is that the barrier to >> creating alternative build systems is the need to emulate setuptools. >> This PEP

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

> On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Then why not fix distutils' sdist command to add the needed > information to PKG-INFO and rely on it ? > > Or perhaps add a new distutils command which outputs the needed > information as JSON file and fix the sdist

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On 11.02.2016 17:48, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >> Then why not fix distutils' sdist command to add the needed >> information to PKG-INFO and rely on it ? >> >> Or perhaps add a new distutils command which outputs the needed

Re: [Distutils] Ensuring source availability for PyPI entries / PEP: Build system abstraction for pip/conda etc

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 at 10:01 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 11.02.2016 17:48, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > >> On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:08 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> > >> Then why not fix distutils' sdist command to add the needed > >> information to PKG-INFO and rely