[Distutils] Proposed new Distutils API for compiler flag detection (Issue26689)

Some months ago, Sylvain brought up a couple of proposals for Distutils. The second proposal received some discussion but it appears that the first one got lost. Here it is: > From sylvain.corlay at gmail.com Wed May 25 12:01:51 2016 > From: sylvain.corlay at gmail.com (Sylvain Corlay) >

Re: [Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

Pip uses pkg-resources to enumerate the installed packages. An advantage of building the installation metadata is when you decide to change the format, like by adding toml for example  On Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 18:41 Chris Barker - NOAA Federal < chris.bar...@noaa.gov> wrote: > Thanks, I think I'm

Re: [Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

Thanks, I think I'm getting it. About the toml file... the *-info metadata is a compiled artifact, according to all the existing Python packages. Most sdists even have a *.egg-info directory. If it's a compiled artifact, then shouldn't it NOT be in a source dist? It is inconvenient if you want

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Leonardo Rochael Almeida > wrote: > > ure, more people will be affected this way than just the folks releasing on > Windows, but given the shortcuts for setting the sdist format per project or > per home directory that Donald mentioned, I

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

On 19 August 2016 at 14:14, Paul Moore wrote: > [...] > > So, the plan becomes: > > 1. Change Python 3.6 to default to .tar.gz on Windows > 2. Change setuptoos to default to .tar.gz, to catch users of older versions > 3. Document how to create a source distribution as

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

On 19 August 2016 at 18:21, Donald Stufft wrote: > FWIW, they can also drop a setup.cfg in their project too that looks > like: https://bpaste.net/show/90dd1280eba6 and then forget about it, which > makes it somewhat less painful, since they won’t have to remember to do it > on

Re: [Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

About the toml file... the *-info metadata is a compiled artifact, according to all the existing Python packages. Most sdists even have a *.egg-info directory. It is inconvenient if you want to know the true dependencies without running setup.py. I think we are stuck with it, and it's not all bad

Re: [Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

Eggs are the only way to add a zipped distribution to PYTHONPATH and have setuptools find the metadata (the Python code can be found with or without the metadata; setuptools does not discover *.dist-info inside zip). Eggs are used by buildout, especially in the unzipped into a directory form. And

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On 19 August 2016 at 16:14, Donald Stufft wrote: >> Not sure if we’ll be able to back port it to 2.7 itself, but it’s a trivial >> change to make inside of setuptools as well. Here’s a PR to setuptools

Re: [Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > Hi all, > > starting a new thread, but this is related to the setuptols-_lite discussion, > and the legacy formats discussion. In another thread Donald had a footnote: > > > [1] We can tackle egg at a later

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

On 19 August 2016 at 16:14, Donald Stufft wrote: > Not sure if we’ll be able to back port it to 2.7 itself, but it’s a trivial > change to make inside of setuptools as well. Here’s a PR to setuptools that > will adjust the default: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pull/748.

[Distutils] What role to eggs still play?

Hi all, starting a new thread, but this is related to the setuptols-_lite discussion, and the legacy formats discussion. In another thread Donald had a footnote: [1] We can tackle egg at a later point, when setuptools either has support > for Wheels > or is less needed. So I'm wondering

Re: [Distutils] Future of setuptools and buildout

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Wes Turner wrote: > setuptools does all of these, yes? but think of these in terms of when >> they come into play: >> >> build time: >>- building a package >> > > - building c extensions > - building NumPy (fortran,) > exactly! which

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On 19 August 2016 at 15:27, Donald Stufft wrote: >> This is an important consideration that nobody mentioned thus far— I have >> not used Windows to release a project to PyPI.. ever. So We should >>

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

On 19 August 2016 at 15:27, Donald Stufft wrote: > This is an important consideration that nobody mentioned thus far— I have > not used Windows to release a project to PyPI.. ever. So We should > absolutely start by switching that to defaulting to .tar.gz. I had forgotten this

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Daniel Holth wrote: > > Consider that "setup.py sdist" produces .zip by default on Windows. This is an important consideration that nobody mentioned thus far— I have not used Windows to release a project to PyPI.. ever. So We should

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

The only issue I have with the proposal is the removal of .zip sdists because I would personally be inconvenienced by the removal of .zip. Consider that "setup.py sdist" produces .zip by default on Windows. On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 9:36 AM James Bennett wrote: > Every new

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Daniel Holth wrote: > > Check out this Camden Bench. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench > . The creators of the bench > enumerated about 23 specific undesirable behaviors that they feel

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

Check out this Camden Bench. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_bench . The creators of the bench enumerated about 23 specific undesirable behaviors that they feel normal benches allow (like sleeping and skateboarding) and came up with a lump of concrete that you can sit on. On Fri, Aug 19,

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 2:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Unilaterally turning the feature off would be extraordinarily hostile > to current users - grace periods and sunset clauses are standard > features of change management processes for a reason, even when they > come at

Re: [Distutils] Deprecating little used file types/extensions on PyPI?

On 19 August 2016 at 15:32, wrote: > From: Distutils-SIG [mailto:distutils-sig-bounces+tritium- >> Alternatively, we could simply not worry about a user level flag, and >> just have a project level flag that's set to "No legacy formats" by >> default for new projects -