Re: Value proposition of Rails

It's also important to note the architectural differences between Java and your favorite LAMP flavor. LAMP is generally a "shared nothing" situation where scaling out is a matter of just adding more machines with some transparent load balancing (on the non-database side). Java scaling tends

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Given how expensive developer time is relative to current hardware costs (especially on the x86 server platforms), it is almost always more cost effective to throw hardware at the problem than it is to spend countless hours porting apps from one language or framework to another for performance

Re: Value proposition of Rails

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Torsten Bronger wrote: > Okay, C.  Well, most of the library and framework stuff is missing > but I assume that this could be done, given that the financial > benefit is there.  But actually I still don't get your analogy. You

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Hallöchen! James Bennett writes: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Torsten Bronger > wrote: > >> I think is *is* a nightmare to maintain. At least, Java and PHP >> play in the same league of maintainability, whereas assembly is >> *far* away from that. > > OK,

Re: Value proposition of Rails

On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 08:17 +0100, Torsten Bronger wrote: > Hallöchen! > > Malcolm Tredinnick writes: > > > [...] > > > > Even PHP: I mean, Flickr, Wikipedia, Yahoo -- these are some > > pretty large sites running on PHP. > > I've always wondered why anybody uses something non-Java for Web >

Re: Value proposition of Rails

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Torsten Bronger wrote: > I think is *is* a nightmare to maintain.  At least, Jva and PHP play > in the same league of maintainability, whereas assembly is *far* > away from that. OK, then, why not write everything in C? Hard to get

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Hallöchen! James Bennett writes: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Torsten Bronger > wrote: > >> I've always wondered why anybody uses something non-Java for Web >> applications. Given that Java is faster than PHP, Python etc., >> this also means that you need

Re: Value proposition of Rails

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Torsten Bronger wrote: > I've always wondered why anybody uses something non-Java for Web > applications.  Given that Java is faster than PHP, Python etc., this > also means that you need less computing power in your server farm. >

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Hallöchen! Malcolm Tredinnick writes: > [...] > > Even PHP: I mean, Flickr, Wikipedia, Yahoo -- these are some > pretty large sites running on PHP. I've always wondered why anybody uses something non-Java for Web applications. Given that Java is faster than PHP, Python etc., this also means

Re: Value proposition of Rails

>Nobody ever releases accurate information on site information, so >anything you get here will be a guess. "Five biggest" is kind of a bad >number anyway, since your customer won't be any of them and it's >unlikely you're targeting them as your customers (if you're only looking >at the five

Re: Value proposition of Rails

On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:23 -0700, shabda wrote: > [Trying not be trollish, but the subject might be so. My apologies in > advance.] > > I run a small Django development firm ( www.uswaretech.com ), and a > lot of clients we go after need to be convinced on why they should > choose Django. What

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Ditto on everything plus I'll add this... On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 02:45:37PM -0500, Tim Chase spake thusly: > PHP-raw is a maint. headache. Using some of the PHP frameworks > (cake, etc) helps alleviate those problems, but I still prefer > Python over PHP as a language. Not only that but

Re: Value proposition of Rails

> 1. Why choose Django over J2EE Clarity vs. complexity (I find J2EE over-the-top'ly baroque). using Python, I don't miss the compilation cycle in Java, and the astronomical number of JSRs numbs the mind. > 2. Why choose Django over RoR I prefer Python's readability over Ruby. Otherwise,

Re: Value proposition of Rails

Ok, I am stupid! I was reading an article and mistyped! http://jooto.com/blog/index.php/2005/10/29/rails-value-proposition/ On Mar 19, 12:23 am, shabda <shabda.r...@gmail.com> wrote: > [Trying not be trollish, but the subject might be so. My apologies in > advance.] > > I

Value proposition of Rails

[Trying not be trollish, but the subject might be so. My apologies in advance.] I run a small Django development firm ( www.uswaretech.com ), and a lot of clients we go after need to be convinced on why they should choose Django. What is your experience in this? Specifically am I looking for is,