Re: When to release?

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
allan wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: well I think there are two things really left: 1. I've just updated the site with the recent changes, and you all are welcome to run the usual usability testing. Once we are happy with it, this item is closed. Though we did that with Allan's home builds, it's

.htaccess slowing things down

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
I believe that we should move our .htaccess to the main httpd.conf. I haven't done any benchmarking, but I think that reparsing of this large file on each request definitely adds to the slow-down of the response times. What do you think?

Re: When to release?

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
2. I've added a new button (page_changes.gif), but I've no idea what font family/size was used for other buttons. So now it's sort of broken. If anybody knows how to fix it, go ahead. Allan promised to fix it hopefully on Monday. If you beat Allan to it, we can (pre-)release earlier. Thanks to

Re: When to release?

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 08:50 01.07.2002, Stas Bekman wrote: 2. I've added a new button (page_changes.gif), but I've no idea what font family/size was used for other buttons. So now it's sort of broken. If anybody knows how to fix it, go ahead. Allan promised to fix it hopefully on Monday. If you beat Allan to it,

RE: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Jonathan M. Hollin
I understand why it is like it is, but just couldn't help myself. I guess I just get too used to seeing things a given way and expect it to be universal. Not a big issue, so never mind. Au contraire Bill... I think this is an issue. Bill's key words here are used to seeing things a given

RE: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 10:56 01.07.2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: I understand why it is like it is, but just couldn't help myself. I guess I just get too used to seeing things a given way and expect it to be universal. Not a big issue, so never mind. Au contraire Bill... I think this is an issue. Bill's key

RE: .htaccess slowing things down

2002-07-01 Thread Jonathan M. Hollin
I believe that we should move our .htaccess to the main httpd.conf. I haven't done any benchmarking, but I think that reparsing of this large file on each request definitely adds to the slow-down of the response times. What do you think? +1 I have noticed the lack of speed. Jonathan M.

RE: .htaccess slowing things down

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 11:04 01.07.2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: I believe that we should move our .htaccess to the main httpd.conf. I haven't done any benchmarking, but I think that reparsing of this large file on each request definitely adds to the slow-down of the response times. What do you think? +1 I have

Banners

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
Hi everyone, Well the deadline is up... Just remembered :) We don't have many entries: 3 persons sent in banners. They are all at: http://www.apache.org/~pereinar/banner-contest/ I guess we could use all of them... Or should we give more time? -- Per Einar Ellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: We don't have to look like everyone else. The breadcrumb *is* complete, when you look over 2 lines. The title is bigger and draws more attention. Personally, I wouldn't like it any other way. Granted Per Einar. That's not quite what I was suggesting. You have to

Re: cvs commit: modperl-docs/src/jobs jobs.html

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
allan juul wrote: Quoting Per Einar Ellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -href=http://jobs.perl.org/search?q=mod_perl+apache+modperlbin=or;the +href=http://jobs.perl.org/search?q=mod_perl+apache+modperlbin=or;the Shouldn't that be amp;bin , or are old browsers missing that one? it should. make a search

Re: cvs commit: modperl-docs TODO

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pereinar2002/07/01 02:08:03 Modified:.TODO Log: ??? - date during site migration. Revision ChangesPath 1.74 +3 -1 modperl-docs/TODO Index: TODO === RCS

Re: Banners

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Per Einar Ellefsen wrote: Hi everyone, Well the deadline is up... Just remembered :) We don't have many entries: 3 persons sent in banners. They are all at: http://www.apache.org/~pereinar/banner-contest/ I guess we could use all of them... Or should we give more time? I think we should just start

Re: cvs commit: modperl-docs TODO

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 12:22 01.07.2002, Stas Bekman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pereinar2002/07/01 02:08:03 Modified:.TODO Log: ??? - date during site migration. Revision ChangesPath 1.74 +3 -1 modperl-docs/TODO Index: TODO

Re: Banners

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 12:30 01.07.2002, Stas Bekman wrote: Per Einar Ellefsen wrote: Hi everyone, Well the deadline is up... Just remembered :) We don't have many entries: 3 persons sent in banners. They are all at: http://www.apache.org/~pereinar/banner-contest/ I guess we could use all of them... Or should we give

Re: .htaccess slowing things down

2002-07-01 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Stas == Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stas I didn't say that recent additions to .htaccess made the reponses Stas slower, I was talking in general. I guess a proper benchmark will be Stas better than thousands words. This seems to be the knowledge of the wise, to not have *anything* in

Re: mod_perl Apache module doc

2002-07-01 Thread Rich Bowen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Bowen wrote: Any chance you can re-use the data in the above doc? or simply patch it? Will do. Thanks. This is the first patch. It is much less extreme than it initially appears. There is no content change here. This is just the result of running: tidy -mi -asxml

Re: Banners

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: I guess we could use all of them... Or should we give more time? Well surely we have infinite time? After all, will we ever reject a good banner? no, not at all, the more the better. But we needed the initial pressure to get the first few done, which I think we have

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: The truncating idea could work. Though we need to think about the details: do we truncate the last element? and what if the previous element was too long? not simple, eh? if you know how, please go all the way down rather just saying that this is wrong. we do know that

RE: [OT] Mozilla WAS: RE: NS4.08

2002-07-01 Thread Jonathan M. Hollin
Oh yeah - after recently downloading Mozilla I heartily agree. Mozilla has finally ended my four-year love affair with MS IE. I think its rendering engine is close to perfect, its standards compliance superb and its speed promises nirvana. AND, it's skinnable! :-)) I just wish it was

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: that requires a lot of heuristics, because you have to take into account the overall length, where the number of sections varies. So you need to backtrace, see what you can cut, go forward backtrace again, etc. Not a job for the templates logic. But the biggest problem is

Re: mod_perl Apache module doc

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Rich Bowen wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Bowen wrote: Any chance you can re-use the data in the above doc? or simply patch it? Will do. Thanks. This is the first patch. It is much less extreme than it initially appears. There is no content change here. This is just the result of running: tidy

clean html

2002-07-01 Thread allan juul
hi while living abroad i did some work on optimizing the beautiful HTML::Clean by paul lindler because i thought the mod_perl_site might need it as some of the pages litterally takes tens of seconds to download on a slow connection. (the current released module doesn't take pre sections into

RE: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Jonathan M. Hollin
I was not suggesting that they be any longer, but that they just show the current page as a NON-link that is now shown as a link when you go one more level deep. Bill I understood exactly what you meant - I just decided to pick up on that one small point. :-) I agree we should be standard,

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Bill Moseley wrote: I assume that we will always have to truncate the level of the bread crumb at some nested level. So the difference is that http://perl.apache.org/release/docs/1.0/guide/index.html shows the same bread crumb as http://perl.apache.org/release/docs/1.0/guide/getwet.html but

RE: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Jonathan M. Hollin
I presume from these comments that the breadcrumb must not word-wrap onto a new line? It's OK if this happens, but we better not. Try to insert a long title and see how it works. It's not good - any more than one line and the layout is going to be disturbed. I don't need to test to see

RE: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 17:09 01.07.2002, Bill Moseley wrote: At 02:17 PM 07/01/02 +0100, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: The truncating idea could work. Though we need to think about the details: do we truncate the last element? and what if the previous element was too long? not simple, eh? if you know how, please go

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Per Einar Ellefsen wrote: At 17:09 01.07.2002, Bill Moseley wrote: At 02:17 PM 07/01/02 +0100, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote: The truncating idea could work. Though we need to think about the details: do we truncate the last element? and what if the previous element was too long? not simple, eh? if

Re: Breadcrumb

2002-07-01 Thread Bill Moseley
At 12:01 AM 07/02/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: Oh yeah, if that's all you want, I agree with that. I disagree. I've replied to this suggestion already with the reasoning why this is how it is and not the other way around. We understand your reasoning, it's the viewing public's reasoning that's

announcing the prerelease

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Since it seems that most of the issues were resolved and some minor ones can be resolved during the pre-release period, I think we can go ahead and announce the RC1. After we polish the announcement we can post it right away, let's say tomorrow? I don't think we really need a long

Re: Banners

2002-07-01 Thread Stas Bekman
Stas Bekman wrote: Per Einar Ellefsen wrote: Also on the page which will list the banners need to add a request for people to submit new banners. I should figure out whom to credit for the banner I got from #axkit-dahut. It's Mark Fowler I think, I saw his name someplace. really? Well, I

Re: announcing the prerelease

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 19:05 01.07.2002, Stas Bekman wrote: Anybody is willing to write an announcement? Please also see some extra notes I've started in the TODO file. Thanks! Okay, a quick shot here as I'm bored with trying to categorize the Apache:: modules. What? - As you may know, we have been at work for

Changes button showing up on all pages, not just indexes

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
Damn, I'm tired :) All right. http://perl.apache.org/release/maillist/docs-dev.html The Changes button is there. Click it, and the Changes button is still there :) I'm not sure what the correct behaviour should be: only show it on index pages r on all pages except Changes? -- Per Einar

Re: announcing the prerelease

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 22:54 01.07.2002, Thomas Klausner wrote: here an 'n' is missing.. Ok :) -- Per Einar Ellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: announcing the prerelease

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 22:48 01.07.2002, Per Einar Ellefsen wrote: This is why we ask for your help: take some time to browse the site, and take note of: - errors with browsers (crashes and/or rendering problems) - usability: are you satisfied with the navigation and organization of the content? - your general

Re: clean html

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 16:34 01.07.2002, allan juul wrote: hi while living abroad i did some work on optimizing the beautiful HTML::Clean by paul lindler because i thought the mod_perl_site might need it as some of the pages litterally takes tens of seconds to download on a slow connection. (the current released

Re: cvs commit: modperl-docs/src/jobs jobs.html

2002-07-01 Thread Per Einar Ellefsen
At 09:20 01.07.2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stas2002/07/01 00:20:39 Modified:src/jobs jobs.html Log: fix a broken tag Submitted by: allan Revision ChangesPath 1.3 +1 -1 modperl-docs/src/jobs/jobs.html Index: jobs.html