Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-14 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 2022-07-14 10:12, Michael Slusarz wrote: On 07/07/2022 5:24 AM Aki Tuomi wrote: FWIW I think OAuth2 is the modern way to do actually MFA authentication. There is some progress in Mozilla world (and hopefully other mail clients) to allow OAuth2 to work outside the "big three" circle.

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-14 Thread Michael Slusarz
> On 07/07/2022 5:24 AM Aki Tuomi wrote: > > FWIW I think OAuth2 is the modern way to do actually MFA authentication. > There is some progress in Mozilla world (and hopefully other mail clients) to > allow OAuth2 to work outside the "big three" circle. Mostly this is *client > development

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-07 Thread Aki Tuomi
> On 07/07/2022 01:12 EEST Michael Peddemors wrote: > > > On 2022-07-06 10:17, gene heskett wrote: > >> As far as I can see from what I tested today (mainly switching my > >> Thunderbird from "Normal Password" to "OAuth"), Clients effectively > >> *have* to be "also a browser" (rendering

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-06 Thread gene heskett
On 7/6/22 18:15, Michael Peddemors wrote: On 2022-07-06 10:17, gene heskett wrote: As far as I can see from what I tested today (mainly switching my Thunderbird from "Normal Password" to "OAuth"), Clients effectively *have* to be "also a browser" (rendering the HTML for O365's login prompts,

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-06 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 2022-07-06 10:17, gene heskett wrote: As far as I can see from what I tested today (mainly switching my Thunderbird from "Normal Password" to "OAuth"), Clients effectively *have* to be "also a browser" (rendering the HTML for O365's login prompts, accepting and sending user input, storing

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-06 Thread gene heskett
On 7/6/22 12:09, Jochen Bern wrote: On 01.07.22 20:02, Jochen Bern wrote: *Totally* theorizing here, but as far as I'm aware, the SMTP (AUTH), POP, and IMAP protocol definitions do not provide elbow room to make *two* rounds of authentication. (Ever pondered why the admin can require O365

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-06 Thread Jochen Bern
On 01.07.22 20:02, Jochen Bern wrote: *Totally* theorizing here, but as far as I'm aware, the SMTP (AUTH), POP, and IMAP protocol definitions do not provide elbow room to make *two* rounds of authentication. (Ever pondered why the admin can require O365 users to "use 2FA", but users then are

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-04 Thread gene heskett
On 7/4/22 15:32, Michael Peddemors wrote: It IS possible to use 2FA on Dovecot, but it would be better if Dovecot supported options by Plugins to control what supported 2FA options are supported in the CAPABILITIES string.  (Ongoing problem getting more power in the handles of 3rd party

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-04 Thread Michael Peddemors
It IS possible to use 2FA on Dovecot, but it would be better if Dovecot supported options by Plugins to control what supported 2FA options are supported in the CAPABILITIES string. (Ongoing problem getting more power in the handles of 3rd party plugins for Dovecot, politics.. ) HOWEVER,

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-03 Thread John Gateley
Disclaimer: I work for Auth0 (now Okta) On 7/3/22 9:40 AM, Paul Kudla (SCOM.CA Internet Services Inc.) wrote: It seems any kind of dual auth will need a security app running on YOUR server saving toikens, logins etc etc Not necessarily. With Auth0, the IDP runs on Auth0's server. You are

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-03 Thread Paul Kudla (SCOM.CA Internet Services Inc.)
Please note this is my opinion only It seems any kind of dual auth will need a security app running on YOUR server saving toikens, logins etc etc this is what lead to microsoft, gmail etc having their own api which will only work for them this is also (mainly because of https authing the

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-03 Thread John Gateley
On 7/3/22 8:31 AM, John Gateley wrote: The protocols were designed long before SAML and OIDC. SAML/OIDC give you more control over authn/z and allow easily adding in MFA or other different types of auth. To do this right, you'd need to extend the protocol to allow OIDC or SAML. I did find

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-03 Thread John Gateley
On 7/1/22 1:02 PM, Jochen Bern wrote: On 27.06.22 00:52, Steve Dondley wrote: I have a small client whose insurance company insists they have MFA for their email to be covered under some kind of data protection policy. *Totally* theorizing here, but as far as I'm aware, the SMTP (AUTH), POP,

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-03 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sat, Jul 02, 2022 at 07:32:21AM -0800, justina colmena ~biz wrote: > Guns are banned and there's a night guard with a Big Mag flashlight or > a billy club walking the beat around the bank, kicking a homeless man > who fell asleep on the sidewalk to tell him wake up or your pocket's > going be

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-02 Thread justina colmena ~biz
Guns are banned and there's a night guard with a Big Mag flashlight or a billy club walking the beat around the bank, kicking a homeless man who fell asleep on the sidewalk to tell him wake up or your pocket's going be picked clean by morning, because you've got too much money in your name for

RE: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-02 Thread Marc
> > I have a small client whose insurance company insists they > have MFA for their email to be covered under some kind of data > protection policy. Currently I have the client set up on a Debian box > for the email server coupled with roundcube for webmail. Most the users > just

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-01 Thread Rick Romero
Quoting Jochen Bern : On 27.06.22 00:52, Steve Dondley wrote: I have a small client whose insurance company insists they have MFA for their email to be covered under some kind of data protection policy. Currently I have the client set up on a Debian box for the email server coupled with

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-07-01 Thread Jochen Bern
On 27.06.22 00:52, Steve Dondley wrote: I have a small client whose insurance company insists they have MFA for their email to be covered under some kind of data protection policy. Currently I have the client set up on a Debian box for the email server coupled with roundcube for webmail. Most

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-06-27 Thread justina colmena ~biz
I don't see why not. Dovecot and Postfix are entirely configurable to connect to and use any desired authentication mechanism through certain basic interfaces. The main problem I have experienced with MFA is a continual battle with extortion, "long cons," and thievery in law -- that the

Re: Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-06-26 Thread Sam Kuper
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 06:52:05PM -0400, Steve Dondley wrote: > I know roundcube offers a MFA plugin. But I don’t have the foggiest > idea how of an iPhone, Android device, or Outlook could all be set up > to work with MFA with a standard dovecot/postfix setup. I'm currently vague on whether/how

Is multi factor authentication practical/feasible?

2022-06-26 Thread Steve Dondley
I have a small client whose insurance company insists they have MFA for their email to be covered under some kind of data protection policy. Currently I have the client set up on a Debian box for the email server coupled with roundcube for webmail. Most the users just use roundcube but some